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NSA "leaker" is a FRAUD!
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06-13-2013, 08:13 AM #61
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(06-12-2013, 10:09 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-12-2013, 09:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-11-2013, 02:19 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Snowden = fraud! Don't be fooled people - this is still the "magician's hand" trying to deflect us from the truth or seeing what is REALLY going on!

You want proof - here you go:

An individual with Snowden's security clearance is NOT allowed to leave the country without approval. How is it that this guy ended up in Hong Kong without some sort of alarm being set off that he was on a flight out of the country? FAIL!!!

Did he release anything REALLY scathing? No, the defense is/was that Congress knew about it, the president was aware of it and a court (the FISA court) was "OK" with it. So, I ask you, "What exactly 'illegal' was done here - immoral, unConstitutional - yes - but, is anybody on there way to jail for it? Rhetorical question - the answer is: NOBODY is on there way to jail for the stuff that was "leaked" about!


Sure he can under two conditions: 1)He wasn't working under his given name. 2)He had a passport for his actual identity and traveled with that one.

You can travel to other countries with a clearance but you won't be able to maintain it if it wasn't mandated for your job. If he had 'diplomatic cover' (if his story is to be believed) he almost certainly worked under an alias with another passport because all embassy employees are under a microscope internationally.


Does his "alias" have credit cards? He needed to pay for airline tickets and hotel and food. What do you think he paid with - blood? He couldn't travel to China without setting off some alarm? How is it that he can travel to China and not be discovered? He had to buy tickets. If he bought them on-line there would/should be alarms kicked off. Isn't that the crux of what he was "leaking" - that everything is being watched? How can you report that "everything" is being watched, and yet he can fly under the radar and get to Hong Kong without being noticed? The story is a plant!

*****SAD DISCLAIMER HERE*******
Does anybody REALLY buy the line that some tech. weenie had some model/dancer girlfriend...and that he left her in HAWAII???? At least in the movies the "hot" chick goes with the "traitor." Sorry, I do not believe the "tech guy" had a model/dancer girlfriend. I myself work with tech. and I find it VERY hard to believe this alleged geek had such a beautiful girlfriend. That too does not add up!


If he worked under an assumed name for that contractor that booked the nsa contract he wouldn't have raised any red flags traveling with his personal (in his birth name) identity/credit cards/etc. End of story.

Maybe people don't understand what contractors do. They are contractual employees; whatever it says in the contract is what governs. I don't know about a cleared contractor but when I was working the nda was only 6 months and even then it was basically an anti-compete clause. The security rules/penalties are much different for contractors vs. federal employees.

His contract would be with booz, not the government. What he can/can't do is governed by that contract because he'd be an at-will contracted employee. Doesn't mean he's a real person but it's possible that he is.
06-13-2013, 08:56 AM #62
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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We saw this before we went to bed, it wasn't even worth any action. Stupid immature stuff, like some pimple faced prepubescent flinging boogers and calling people poopy heads. 15.gif

chuckle.gif Sorry, some of this got deleted. Was looking forward to seeing how much this one could throw up on it's widdle self.

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06-13-2013, 12:56 PM #63
Octo Mother Superior
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(06-13-2013, 03:49 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  My My!

Look at everyone coming out of the woodwork to defend Octo's lard butt when I'm not even attacking her!

Can't I stereotype people too? That's what Mr. Cynical Absurdpants does all the time.


Oh, you weren't stereotyping here?

Quote:Maybe I am implying that model dancer types lack the brains to be attracted to anything with brains except where those brains have led to status and wealth..?

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Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-13-2013, 12:58 PM #64
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(06-13-2013, 08:56 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  We saw this before we went to bed, it wasn't even worth any action. Stupid immature stuff, like some pimple faced prepubescent flinging boogers and calling people poopy heads. 15.gif

chuckle.gif Sorry, some of this got deleted. Was looking forward to seeing how much this one could throw up on it's widdle self.


Ya? but you did take action. All because I said Octo had lard in her buttocks which is technically true of all butts but you chose to ignore that little fact didn't you?
06-13-2013, 01:05 PM #65
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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rofl.gif Notice I said sorry it got deleted? We had nada to do with that, you chose to ignore that fact.
I enjoy slowing down for a good traffic accident as much as the next guy. hi5.gif

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06-13-2013, 01:24 PM #66
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(06-13-2013, 01:05 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  rofl.gif Notice I said sorry it got deleted? We had nada to do with that, you chose to ignore that fact.
I enjoy slowing down for a good traffic accident as much as the next guy. hi5.gif


Things do not delete themselves?

Maybe you have an over zealous board mod who jumps at the chance to finally get to use their powers?

You know sometimes people need to let their inner troll out or the poor thing is at risk of starving.
Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-13-2013, 01:29 PM #67
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(06-13-2013, 08:13 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-12-2013, 10:09 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-12-2013, 09:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-11-2013, 02:19 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Snowden = fraud! Don't be fooled people - this is still the "magician's hand" trying to deflect us from the truth or seeing what is REALLY going on!

You want proof - here you go:

An individual with Snowden's security clearance is NOT allowed to leave the country without approval. How is it that this guy ended up in Hong Kong without some sort of alarm being set off that he was on a flight out of the country? FAIL!!!

Did he release anything REALLY scathing? No, the defense is/was that Congress knew about it, the president was aware of it and a court (the FISA court) was "OK" with it. So, I ask you, "What exactly 'illegal' was done here - immoral, unConstitutional - yes - but, is anybody on there way to jail for it? Rhetorical question - the answer is: NOBODY is on there way to jail for the stuff that was "leaked" about!


Sure he can under two conditions: 1)He wasn't working under his given name. 2)He had a passport for his actual identity and traveled with that one.

You can travel to other countries with a clearance but you won't be able to maintain it if it wasn't mandated for your job. If he had 'diplomatic cover' (if his story is to be believed) he almost certainly worked under an alias with another passport because all embassy employees are under a microscope internationally.


Does his "alias" have credit cards? He needed to pay for airline tickets and hotel and food. What do you think he paid with - blood? He couldn't travel to China without setting off some alarm? How is it that he can travel to China and not be discovered? He had to buy tickets. If he bought them on-line there would/should be alarms kicked off. Isn't that the crux of what he was "leaking" - that everything is being watched? How can you report that "everything" is being watched, and yet he can fly under the radar and get to Hong Kong without being noticed? The story is a plant!

*****SAD DISCLAIMER HERE*******
Does anybody REALLY buy the line that some tech. weenie had some model/dancer girlfriend...and that he left her in HAWAII???? At least in the movies the "hot" chick goes with the "traitor." Sorry, I do not believe the "tech guy" had a model/dancer girlfriend. I myself work with tech. and I find it VERY hard to believe this alleged geek had such a beautiful girlfriend. That too does not add up!


If he worked under an assumed name for that contractor that booked the nsa contract he wouldn't have raised any red flags traveling with his personal (in his birth name) identity/credit cards/etc. End of story.

Maybe people don't understand what contractors do. They are contractual employees; whatever it says in the contract is what governs. I don't know about a cleared contractor but when I was working the nda was only 6 months and even then it was basically an anti-compete clause. The security rules/penalties are much different for contractors vs. federal employees.

His contract would be with booz, not the government. What he can/can't do is governed by that contract because he'd be an at-will contracted employee. Doesn't mean he's a real person but it's possible that he is.


The "security clearance" is totally different. First, add like $20 - $30 K to the salary! Second, some of those clearances are VERY restrictive - as in full background check, polygraph test every 6 months, etc. With the clearance - travel is limited or dictated as to where or where not the person with a security clearance may go. I have done contract work, but not security clearance contract work. Further, the dude was NOT a contractor! He was a full time employee of a company that has a contract with the NSA. Totally different, this guy was not a "freelancer" - he was an employee of a company.
Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-13-2013, 01:44 PM #68
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(06-13-2013, 12:56 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(06-13-2013, 03:49 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  My My!

Look at everyone coming out of the woodwork to defend Octo's lard butt when I'm not even attacking her!

Can't I stereotype people too? That's what Mr. Cynical Absurdpants does all the time.


Oh, you weren't stereotyping here?

Quote:Maybe I am implying that model dancer types lack the brains to be attracted to anything with brains except where those brains have led to status and wealth..?

bob.gif


Yes I was. In fact that is a statement I was referring to but your tard butt must not have realized it?

Have I conflicted you?
06-13-2013, 01:52 PM #69
Octo Mother Superior
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Not so much. And our mods are free to use their own judgement and delete posts they find inappropriate for whatever reason. Try to get over it.

Now back on topic, is it really that difficult to get a blessing from the agency to go on vacation for instance? 13.gif
06-13-2013, 02:04 PM #70
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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This is a really good thread with opinion that differs from what we are being fed. You're welcome to start you're own lil ho ho thread if you want to let your inner troll frolic through the meadows of your mind. t-dancing.gif beerbong.gif

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Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-13-2013, 02:09 PM #71
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(06-13-2013, 01:52 PM)Octo Wrote:  Not so much. And our mods are free to use their own judgement and delete posts they find inappropriate for whatever reason. Try to get over it.


Nah, you misunderstood the placement of my comment as being related to your response not previous to it and the error you made but that was expected.

Got over soon as it happened but still had to say something as deletion for something so minor as suggesting someone might have some lard in their butt for but a moments worth of trollish fun is uncalled for and could lead one to take such things personally and subsequent hurting of one's own lard filled butt.

Not sure why anyone would assume it offensive in the first place as a big butt is nothing to be ashamed of but rather something you should wiggle around with pride!
Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-13-2013, 02:18 PM #72
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(06-13-2013, 02:04 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  This is a really good thread with opinion that differs from what we are being fed. You're welcome to start you're own lil ho ho thread if you want to let your inner troll frolic through the meadows of your mind. t-dancing.gif beerbong.gif


Such a thread would defeat my purpose and would likely be deleted or merely ignored anyways.

Was done and bored anyways already... so do keep feeding it if you wish but those saltines you throwing aren't very appetizing just now. Poor little guy's stomach has shrunk so much from me never letting him out that he seems full now.

Thanks.

Sometimes it takes so little to show you care but for me that is often more then enough.
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06-13-2013, 02:29 PM #73
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and by "you" I mean anyone!chuckle.gif
06-13-2013, 02:37 PM #74
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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chuckle.gif Back on topic...

Quote:Snowden Is Just The Straw Man Obama Needed

To the millions of Americans who go through their day blindly trusting that Obama is out there defending their Constitutional rights, Eric Snowden looks like Public Enemy #1, a traitor who just made it a lot easier for terrorists to invade our country. To the millions of Americans who don’t wear blinders or rose colored glasses, Snowden looks like a hero. But to Obama, Snowden looks like the perfect Straw Man.

If you truly believe that Eric Snowden revealed some deep, dark State secret when he told the world that the NSA was spying on our phone and Internet communications then you’re not paying attention. Law enforcement officials have been tapping phone lines since telephones were first invented.

In 1928 the Supreme Court finally set a precedent when it ruled that telephone eavesdropping for law enforcement purposes was legal because there was no physical invasion of privacy. In 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy authorized the FBI to tap the phone lines of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1969 President Richard Nixon approved dozens of legal wiretaps, including the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Hotel.

In 1978, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which prescribes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of “foreign intelligence information” between “foreign powers” and “agents of foreign powers” (which may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of espionage or terrorism).

With the introduction of the Internet, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act was passed in 1994. CALEA’s purpose was to enhance the ability of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance by requiring telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in surveillance capabilities, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.

But in 2008, Congress amended FISA and four key provisions that were added opened the doors to unlimited abuses of power:


– Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.

– Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records.

– Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for “‘past or future cooperation’ with federal law enforcement authorities.

– Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval.


None of these laws or amendments are “Top Secret Information” known only to a handful of high-ranking officials. They’re all common knowledge, available to anyone interested enough to conduct a search. And FYI – then-Senator Barack Obama voted for this bill.

It should be obvious to everyone: If the government is going to go through the trouble of passing these laws, they intend to implement them. They’ve been tapping our phone lines since the 1890′s and they’ve been tapping into any and all online networks since the dawn of the Internet.

So Eric Snowden didn’t really reveal any “Top Secret” information that’s going to put our country at risk. Every single bit of information in this article so far is pulled from an online resource available to the public. You just need to be able to connect the dots.

But leading the public to believe that Snowden did commit an unforgivable act of treason has certain benefits for King Obama and his loyal administration.

In 2010, F.B.I. Director, Robert S. Mueller III, argued that the “bureau’s ability to carry out court-approved eavesdropping on suspects is “going dark” as communications technology evolves.” Pushing for stricter mandates, the Obama administration wanted to require online companies like Google, Facebook, Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft, and dozens of others, to build a capacity to comply with wiretap orders into their systems.

Obama’s proposal didn’t pass, though, because the Commerce Department felt it would stifle innovation.

Read more: rinf.com

Maybe Snowden doesn't even know he's been put there to do exactly this. Just add a little MKUltra, a phone call - a trigger word - and bam - instant straw man.

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06-13-2013, 03:01 PM #75
Octo Mother Superior
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Well he certainly took the attention away from other serious issues. Now they have a 'bad guy' to focus on.


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