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NSA "leaker" is a FRAUD!
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06-13-2013, 03:06 PM #76
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(06-13-2013, 02:37 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  chuckle.gif Back on topic...

Quote:Snowden Is Just The Straw Man Obama Needed

To the millions of Americans who go through their day blindly trusting that Obama is out there defending their Constitutional rights, Eric Snowden looks like Public Enemy #1, a traitor who just made it a lot easier for terrorists to invade our country. To the millions of Americans who don’t wear blinders or rose colored glasses, Snowden looks like a hero. But to Obama, Snowden looks like the perfect Straw Man.

If you truly believe that Eric Snowden revealed some deep, dark State secret when he told the world that the NSA was spying on our phone and Internet communications then you’re not paying attention. Law enforcement officials have been tapping phone lines since telephones were first invented.

In 1928 the Supreme Court finally set a precedent when it ruled that telephone eavesdropping for law enforcement purposes was legal because there was no physical invasion of privacy. In 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy authorized the FBI to tap the phone lines of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1969 President Richard Nixon approved dozens of legal wiretaps, including the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Hotel.

In 1978, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which prescribes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of “foreign intelligence information” between “foreign powers” and “agents of foreign powers” (which may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of espionage or terrorism).

With the introduction of the Internet, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act was passed in 1994. CALEA’s purpose was to enhance the ability of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance by requiring telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in surveillance capabilities, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.

But in 2008, Congress amended FISA and four key provisions that were added opened the doors to unlimited abuses of power:


– Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.

– Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records.

– Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for “‘past or future cooperation’ with federal law enforcement authorities.

– Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval.


None of these laws or amendments are “Top Secret Information” known only to a handful of high-ranking officials. They’re all common knowledge, available to anyone interested enough to conduct a search. And FYI – then-Senator Barack Obama voted for this bill.

It should be obvious to everyone: If the government is going to go through the trouble of passing these laws, they intend to implement them. They’ve been tapping our phone lines since the 1890′s and they’ve been tapping into any and all online networks since the dawn of the Internet.

So Eric Snowden didn’t really reveal any “Top Secret” information that’s going to put our country at risk. Every single bit of information in this article so far is pulled from an online resource available to the public. You just need to be able to connect the dots.

But leading the public to believe that Snowden did commit an unforgivable act of treason has certain benefits for King Obama and his loyal administration.

In 2010, F.B.I. Director, Robert S. Mueller III, argued that the “bureau’s ability to carry out court-approved eavesdropping on suspects is “going dark” as communications technology evolves.” Pushing for stricter mandates, the Obama administration wanted to require online companies like Google, Facebook, Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft, and dozens of others, to build a capacity to comply with wiretap orders into their systems.

Obama’s proposal didn’t pass, though, because the Commerce Department felt it would stifle innovation.

Read more: rinf.com

Maybe Snowden doesn't even know he's been put there to do exactly this. Just add a little MKUltra, a phone call - a trigger word - and bam - instant straw man.


Ummm...I am (for once ;-) ) speechless! I fully agree with that post! This guy is taking eyes away from real scandals like Benghazi, the IRS and the Justice Dept. with the press.

Octo, fyi - in America there are even restrictions on "regular citizen's travel." We cannot go to Cuba. AND - SHOCKINGLY - Pakistan was off limits (for US citizens in 1991 - so how did Barry O'faker go to Pakistan - it could NOT have been on a US passport!) The list of "do not travel to" countries for people with security clearance is much bigger than the "average citizen."
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06-13-2013, 03:08 PM #77
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(06-13-2013, 03:06 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-13-2013, 02:37 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  chuckle.gif Back on topic...

Quote:Snowden Is Just The Straw Man Obama Needed

To the millions of Americans who go through their day blindly trusting that Obama is out there defending their Constitutional rights, Eric Snowden looks like Public Enemy #1, a traitor who just made it a lot easier for terrorists to invade our country. To the millions of Americans who don’t wear blinders or rose colored glasses, Snowden looks like a hero. But to Obama, Snowden looks like the perfect Straw Man.

If you truly believe that Eric Snowden revealed some deep, dark State secret when he told the world that the NSA was spying on our phone and Internet communications then you’re not paying attention. Law enforcement officials have been tapping phone lines since telephones were first invented.

In 1928 the Supreme Court finally set a precedent when it ruled that telephone eavesdropping for law enforcement purposes was legal because there was no physical invasion of privacy. In 1963, U.S. Attorney General Robert Kennedy authorized the FBI to tap the phone lines of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. In 1969 President Richard Nixon approved dozens of legal wiretaps, including the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate Hotel.

In 1978, Congress passed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) which prescribes procedures for the physical and electronic surveillance and collection of “foreign intelligence information” between “foreign powers” and “agents of foreign powers” (which may include American citizens and permanent residents suspected of espionage or terrorism).

With the introduction of the Internet, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act was passed in 1994. CALEA’s purpose was to enhance the ability of law enforcement and intelligence agencies to conduct electronic surveillance by requiring telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in surveillance capabilities, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.

But in 2008, Congress amended FISA and four key provisions that were added opened the doors to unlimited abuses of power:


– Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.

– Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records.

– Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for “‘past or future cooperation’ with federal law enforcement authorities.

– Allows eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval.


None of these laws or amendments are “Top Secret Information” known only to a handful of high-ranking officials. They’re all common knowledge, available to anyone interested enough to conduct a search. And FYI – then-Senator Barack Obama voted for this bill.

It should be obvious to everyone: If the government is going to go through the trouble of passing these laws, they intend to implement them. They’ve been tapping our phone lines since the 1890′s and they’ve been tapping into any and all online networks since the dawn of the Internet.

So Eric Snowden didn’t really reveal any “Top Secret” information that’s going to put our country at risk. Every single bit of information in this article so far is pulled from an online resource available to the public. You just need to be able to connect the dots.

But leading the public to believe that Snowden did commit an unforgivable act of treason has certain benefits for King Obama and his loyal administration.

In 2010, F.B.I. Director, Robert S. Mueller III, argued that the “bureau’s ability to carry out court-approved eavesdropping on suspects is “going dark” as communications technology evolves.” Pushing for stricter mandates, the Obama administration wanted to require online companies like Google, Facebook, Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft, and dozens of others, to build a capacity to comply with wiretap orders into their systems.

Obama’s proposal didn’t pass, though, because the Commerce Department felt it would stifle innovation.

Read more: rinf.com

Maybe Snowden doesn't even know he's been put there to do exactly this. Just add a little MKUltra, a phone call - a trigger word - and bam - instant straw man.


Ummm...I am (for once ;-) ) speechless! I fully agree with that post! This guy is taking eyes away from real scandals like Benghazi, the IRS and the Justice Dept. with the press.

Octo, fyi - in America there are even restrictions on "regular citizen's travel." We cannot go to Cuba. AND - SHOCKINGLY - Pakistan was off limits (for US citizens in 1981 - so how did Barry O'faker go to Pakistan - it could NOT have been on a US passport!) The list of "do not travel to" countries for people with security clearance is much bigger than the "average citizen."


Sorry - edited "1991" to "1981" - the big "O" visited Pakistan in 1981 - on what country's passport - we have NO IDEA!
06-13-2013, 03:13 PM #78
Octo Mother Superior
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(06-13-2013, 03:06 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Ummm...I am (for once ;-) ) speechless! I fully agree with that post! This guy is taking eyes away from real scandals like Benghazi, the IRS and the Justice Dept. with the press.

Octo, fyi - in America there are even restrictions on "regular citizen's travel." We cannot go to Cuba. AND - SHOCKINGLY - Pakistan was off limits (for US citizens in 1991 - so how did Barry O'faker go to Pakistan - it could NOT have been on a US passport!) The list of "do not travel to" countries for people with security clearance is much bigger than the "average citizen."


Land of the free, eh? damned.gif
06-13-2013, 03:51 PM #79
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(06-13-2013, 03:01 PM)Octo Wrote:  Well he certainly took the attention away from other serious issues. Now they have a 'bad guy' to focus on.


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The troll or Snowden? 13.gif rofl.gif
06-13-2013, 03:54 PM #80
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Patsy be thy name. chuckle.gif
06-13-2013, 03:55 PM #81
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(06-13-2013, 05:41 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Well... I see how it is.

Little fun and harmless games so you start deleting posts.

No point in me even saying anything if thats how it's gonna be.


I deleted one post. Singular. Octo can look after herself but you go after JB I'm going to get a little cranky.
06-13-2013, 04:00 PM #82
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(06-13-2013, 03:51 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(06-13-2013, 03:01 PM)Octo Wrote:  Well he certainly took the attention away from other serious issues. Now they have a 'bad guy' to focus on.


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The troll or Snowden? 13.gif rofl.gif


yup.gif I saw what was going on there.

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06-13-2013, 04:05 PM #83
j browsing Member
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(06-13-2013, 03:55 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(06-13-2013, 05:41 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Well... I see how it is.

Little fun and harmless games so you start deleting posts.

No point in me even saying anything if thats how it's gonna be.


I deleted one post. Singular. Octo can look after herself but you go after JB I'm going to get a little cranky.
and if anyone goes after Shadow angry.gif

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
06-13-2013, 04:07 PM #84
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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chuckle.gif hug.gif hug.gif How are you this morning Sweetheart?
06-13-2013, 04:09 PM #85
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had a good sleep last night I am A OKhug.gifwave.gif

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
Anonymous Kritter Show this Post
06-14-2013, 09:28 AM #86
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(06-13-2013, 01:29 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-13-2013, 08:13 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-12-2013, 10:09 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-12-2013, 09:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(06-11-2013, 02:19 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Snowden = fraud! Don't be fooled people - this is still the "magician's hand" trying to deflect us from the truth or seeing what is REALLY going on!

You want proof - here you go:

An individual with Snowden's security clearance is NOT allowed to leave the country without approval. How is it that this guy ended up in Hong Kong without some sort of alarm being set off that he was on a flight out of the country? FAIL!!!

Did he release anything REALLY scathing? No, the defense is/was that Congress knew about it, the president was aware of it and a court (the FISA court) was "OK" with it. So, I ask you, "What exactly 'illegal' was done here - immoral, unConstitutional - yes - but, is anybody on there way to jail for it? Rhetorical question - the answer is: NOBODY is on there way to jail for the stuff that was "leaked" about!


Sure he can under two conditions: 1)He wasn't working under his given name. 2)He had a passport for his actual identity and traveled with that one.

You can travel to other countries with a clearance but you won't be able to maintain it if it wasn't mandated for your job. If he had 'diplomatic cover' (if his story is to be believed) he almost certainly worked under an alias with another passport because all embassy employees are under a microscope internationally.


Does his "alias" have credit cards? He needed to pay for airline tickets and hotel and food. What do you think he paid with - blood? He couldn't travel to China without setting off some alarm? How is it that he can travel to China and not be discovered? He had to buy tickets. If he bought them on-line there would/should be alarms kicked off. Isn't that the crux of what he was "leaking" - that everything is being watched? How can you report that "everything" is being watched, and yet he can fly under the radar and get to Hong Kong without being noticed? The story is a plant!

*****SAD DISCLAIMER HERE*******
Does anybody REALLY buy the line that some tech. weenie had some model/dancer girlfriend...and that he left her in HAWAII???? At least in the movies the "hot" chick goes with the "traitor." Sorry, I do not believe the "tech guy" had a model/dancer girlfriend. I myself work with tech. and I find it VERY hard to believe this alleged geek had such a beautiful girlfriend. That too does not add up!


If he worked under an assumed name for that contractor that booked the nsa contract he wouldn't have raised any red flags traveling with his personal (in his birth name) identity/credit cards/etc. End of story.

Maybe people don't understand what contractors do. They are contractual employees; whatever it says in the contract is what governs. I don't know about a cleared contractor but when I was working the nda was only 6 months and even then it was basically an anti-compete clause. The security rules/penalties are much different for contractors vs. federal employees.

His contract would be with booz, not the government. What he can/can't do is governed by that contract because he'd be an at-will contracted employee. Doesn't mean he's a real person but it's possible that he is.


The "security clearance" is totally different. First, add like $20 - $30 K to the salary! Second, some of those clearances are VERY restrictive - as in full background check, polygraph test every 6 months, etc. With the clearance - travel is limited or dictated as to where or where not the person with a security clearance may go. I have done contract work, but not security clearance contract work. Further, the dude was NOT a contractor! He was a full time employee of a company that has a contract with the NSA. Totally different, this guy was not a "freelancer" - he was an employee of a company.


(assuming the story is true)
Nah, he was definitely a contractor. There are embedded contractors for defense contractors working as "employees" of the gov, but the contracting agency is the one paying the bills and has the governing contract. As for what he was paid, mid-level contracts like this even with a security clearance at a major contractor will pay in the 90k-120k range + expenses; probably on the lower end because he was more or less an administrator not a manager. I won't discuss what these contractor agencies actually get paid but (more or less), the contractor sees 25-30% of the contract value at any one of these top tier contractor agencies. It might vary with booz (compared to the larger contractors) but his salary probably was not more than 40%, which wouldn't put it at 200k; no contractor get's paid that unless it's a war zone or wet contract, certainly no one working in a no risk domestic office get's paid that.

The reason why they do this for some projects is because they can't get the expertise needed for a job from their talent pool (at the rate the government is willing to pay). These jobs are essentially "at will" contracts, if they end up not needing you they'll cancel the contract on the spot. Which might've been why this guy has an axe to grind, maybe he got fired.

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06-14-2013, 12:43 PM #87
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Ya, probably just better that way.

Just end up causing too much trouble from what just started out as a bit of innocent fun.
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06-14-2013, 04:14 PM #88
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(06-12-2013, 10:13 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  My post above brings up another oddity in this whole thing. How is it that after, ummm, I don't know...say DAY 1 of this guy NOT showing up at work that his credit cards were cut off? You know, if I don't let my credit card company know that I am travelling across the country - they will put a halt on my transactions if they seem "too odd." Heck, there is even now a commercial about the lady whose debit card gets used in London - and the card is cut off! Here this "leaker" was staying in a hotel room at $400 per night (there were news reports about that) and yet his credit card still works? NOT PLAUSIBLE!!!


Okay but to play Devil's advocate, this assumes that people are diligent and competent in their jobs. My own experience is that most are not.

Usually the super-dedicated staff occupy low-level positions where they can't do much of anything and everyone else spends their energy chasing after the next promotion. And yes, I had government jobs when I was a lot younger the relied on a fair degree of security clearance since I had access to personal financial data.

This isn't to say they are all Homer Simpson or Dilbert's boss, but at the end of the day this guy would have been one of dozens or even hundreds for the people who may have been tasked with watching him... And at the end of the day, it is still a job and people are people wherever they may work...
06-14-2013, 08:16 PM #89
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I love a good SPY who outs Gov.'t crimes

Hero ?

Lets look at the statement he put people lives in jeopardy


Let's see ,,,

two publizised wars #1 Afgan #2 Iraq

I think those have put lives in jeopardy , but i'm not there

Lte's see ,,,

heinous crimes against humanity ?


How about torture ?

how about the 40,000 children who were brainwashed
by MK Ultra experiments

I was there for both of those

let's see

hmmmmm ,,,

would i exposed documents that contain those crimes of a Gov't ?


YES I WOULD , AND BRAG ABOUT IT LONG AND LOUD

Torreys were loyal to King George


who today is a loyalist ?

Not this hippie


I just saw a headline on the Monterey Herald

" Iran's nuke policy is a threat to PEACE "


war is a threat to peace

attacking a country is a threat to peace

Twist this headline for the good dope it is for the people who

buy War for the Industrialist to make profits

Daddy War Bucks just got your Pres .

as his whore

enjoy life

it's all you have for now

until it can be taken away and caged .




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