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02-19-2014, 08:08 PM #16
ezrin Incognito Anonymous
 
yep... it's for-real blink.gif
quote:
"Eliphas Levi in Transcendental Magic recognizes Azazel as a vessel for black magic:

IN BLACK MAGIC, THE DEVIL is THE GREAT MAGICAL AGENT EMPLOYED FOR EVIL PURPOSES BY A PERVERSE WILL.
The old serpent of the legend is nothing else than the BLACK MAGIC, universal agent, the eternal fire of terrestrial life, the soul of the earth, and the living fount of hell.
We have said that the astral light is the receptacle of forms, and these when evoked by reason are produced harmoniously, but when evoked by madness they appear disorderly and monstrous ; so originated the nightmares of St Anthony and the phantoms of the Sabbath.
Do, therefore, the evocations of goetia and demonomania possess a practical result?
Yes, certainly one which cannot be contested, one more terrible than could be recounted by legends!
When any one invokes the devil with intentional ceremonies, the devil comes, and is seen.

To escape dying from horror at the sight, to escape catalepsy or idiocy, one must be already mad.
(126-127)"

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02-19-2014, 08:10 PM #17
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Of course. The US colony was taken by the British Empire and freed by France in the battle of Chesapeake Bay. So war precedes the existence of the USA in every aspect. How many empires back to the Romans and before? Alexander the Great was the only one to conquer Afghanistan (that graveyard of empires) and only then for one short year 330BC.

My point is, war is brought to the ME by western interest, they do not and have not attacked one another for years, unless you count Israel.
02-19-2014, 08:13 PM #18
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(02-19-2014, 07:57 PM)Softy Wrote:  Iran Iraq War...

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United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.[3][4]

Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline,that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[5]

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The US was also instrumental in Iraq's attack on Kuwait and US taxpayer support (incubator babies)

The Nayirah testimony was the controversial testimony given before the non-governmental Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a female who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and the American president in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيره الصباح‎) and that she was the daughter of Saud bin Nasir Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign which was run by Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern wartime propaganda...

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02-19-2014, 08:18 PM #19
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(02-19-2014, 07:59 PM)Softy Wrote:  Russia Afghanistan...

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Ever hear of Kipling? A book called Kim? Good read. coffeetime.gif And if you like that one, follow it up with (or just skip to) 'War At The Top of The World' by Margolis.
02-19-2014, 11:43 PM #20
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Shadow,

My understanding of the Iran Iraq war is a bit different,,,

they always had a border dispute,,,like a lot of countries in the

world today,,,which,,,started,,,long time ago,,,anyway,,,Once the US was

out of the way in Iran,,,paved the way to act by Iraq,,,they do do that you know,,,

as far as support,,,Russia number one,,,Fance number two,,,

During the Iran–Iraq War from 1980 to 1988, the Soviet Union (USSR) sold or gave more military equipment and supplies to Iraq than did any other country,[1] as well as providing military advisers.[citation needed] The public position of the Soviet Union was officially neutral, especially early in the war. They clandestinely provided a smaller amount of support to Iran. Later in the war they more visibly supported Iraq, but still maintained official neutrality.[citation needed]

At the start of the Iran–Iraq War, while Iraq was on the offensive, the Soviet Union stopped all overt and most covert arms shipments to Iraq for 18 months.[2] Rather than wanting to help Iran, the Soviet Union was probably annoyed with Iraq's president Saddam Hussein, who had refused the Soviets more access to Iraqi ports in exchange for arms. Soviet prestige was at stake if its arms were defeated, so the Soviets began to provide spare parts and ammunition. They later replaced complete vehicles and weapons in one-to-one exchanges.[3] France supported Iraq as the second greatest military supplier, and tended to supply higher-technology equipment than the Soviets.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_supp...93Iraq_war

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02-19-2014, 11:54 PM #21
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:14,881 Threads:420 Joined:Jun 2012
I don't claim to have a great deal of knowledge of historical and recent politics, nor do I want to. However, one thing is clear to me lately...TPTB can only push the people so far.
02-19-2014, 11:55 PM #22
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(02-19-2014, 07:51 PM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-19-2014, 07:43 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(02-19-2014, 07:26 PM)Softy Wrote:  some of these old countries,,,have old battles,,,that just don't seem to

ever go away...

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lmao.gif Too funny. Ask Afghanistan chuckle.gif Or Iraq, Pakistan, India, Egypt, Somalia, Nigeria, Libya, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Nigeria, Venezuela, Georgia, Ukraine, oh God I could go on... why their battles don't ever go away. Every single reply would be NATO. Tell me the last time one of these countries attacked another? Then tell me the last time a NATO country attacked them. You'll be behind before you post a reply lol

Ok,,,but you do realize that there were wars before NATO or the US ever

existed,,,right???...

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She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful
02-20-2014, 12:04 AM #23
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(02-19-2014, 11:55 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful

I recall a rant from you telling me not to put words in your mouth. coffeetime.gif
02-20-2014, 12:16 AM #24
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-19-2014, 11:55 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful

Well,,,we all want to be the good guys and don't want to be the bad guys,,,

and to that end it is OK,,,and since WW2 the Soviets wanted buffer states,,,

and the US became preemptive,,,and there really isn't a good way to be preemptive,,,

it relies on making assumptions about the way things will be,,,

and is very intrusive,,,there is not a good way to have buffer states either...

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02-20-2014, 12:25 AM #25
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(02-20-2014, 12:16 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-19-2014, 11:55 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful

Well,,,we all want to be the good guys and don't want to be the bad guys,,,

and to that end it is OK,,,and since WW2 the Soviets wanted buffer states,,,

and the US became preemptive,,,and there really isn't a good way to be preemptive,,,

it relies on making assumptions about the way things will be,,,

and is very intrusive,,,there is not a good way to have buffer states either...

(:X

Or people are willfully ignorant and they ignore everything that doesn't mesh with their belief system
02-20-2014, 12:32 AM #26
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-20-2014, 12:25 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(02-20-2014, 12:16 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-19-2014, 11:55 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful

Well,,,we all want to be the good guys and don't want to be the bad guys,,,

and to that end it is OK,,,and since WW2 the Soviets wanted buffer states,,,

and the US became preemptive,,,and there really isn't a good way to be preemptive,,,

it relies on making assumptions about the way things will be,,,

and is very intrusive,,,there is not a good way to have buffer states either...

(:X

Or people are willfully ignorant and they ignore everything that doesn't mesh with their belief system

Well,,,yeah,,,people do that you know,,,and the US does get pretty arrogant about

everything,,,and we really do interfere in things,,,and we really do do it with our

best interests at heart,,,not always,,,but some of the time,,,well once,,,

long time ago,,,and think we took it back,,,and made it all ok...

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02-20-2014, 01:13 AM #27
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(02-20-2014, 12:32 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-20-2014, 12:25 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(02-20-2014, 12:16 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-19-2014, 11:55 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  She likes to ignore that kinda like how she believes Muslims were peaceful before the US and NATO existed......also the Canadian was very peaceful

Well,,,we all want to be the good guys and don't want to be the bad guys,,,

and to that end it is OK,,,and since WW2 the Soviets wanted buffer states,,,

and the US became preemptive,,,and there really isn't a good way to be preemptive,,,

it relies on making assumptions about the way things will be,,,

and is very intrusive,,,there is not a good way to have buffer states either...

(:X

Or people are willfully ignorant and they ignore everything that doesn't mesh with their belief system

Well,,,yeah,,,people do that you know,,,and the US does get pretty arrogant about

everything,,,and we really do interfere in things,,,and we really do do it with our

best interests at heart,,,not always,,,but some of the time,,,well once,,,

long time ago,,,and think we took it back,,,and made it all ok...

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Our .gov sucks out loud just like all the other .govs that exist but some people like to blame the citizens but not the .gov
02-20-2014, 01:19 AM #28
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
the Ukranian police are showing some incredible restraint,,,

from what I have seen,,,compared to most .govs,,,guess they

are hoping it will get tired and go home...

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02-20-2014, 01:36 AM #29
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
Posts:4,764 Threads:1,046 Joined:Jun 2012
(02-20-2014, 01:19 AM)Softy Wrote:  the Ukranian police are showing some incredible restraint,,,

from what I have seen,,,compared to most .govs,,,guess they

are hoping it will get tired and go home...

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They're just going to put up another Berlin wall type structure
02-20-2014, 03:25 AM #30
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-20-2014, 01:36 AM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(02-20-2014, 01:19 AM)Softy Wrote:  the Ukranian police are showing some incredible restraint,,,

from what I have seen,,,compared to most .govs,,,guess they

are hoping it will get tired and go home...

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They're just going to put up another Berlin wall type structure

We need to finish ours down here,,,

too many other than Mexicans,,,we have all sorts of folks on the border,,,

besides Border Patrol,,,and they fly drones all the time,,,

even have signs on the highway that drones are in the air,,,

so people don't freak out,,,they have to fly below commercial air traffic,,,

so easy to see,,,and they have blimps up in the air but tied to the ground,,,

we used to ride dirt bikes down there,,,not no more,,,

you get near the border,,,and someone will come and talk to you...

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