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Peace to men of good will
01-14-2015, 11:56 AM #1
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Luke 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will."
---------- what does this really mean?

It is a statement about fact of state;

First part says that God is in the state of the highest Glory;

Second part says that people who live by good will live in a state of peace.
It's not a punishment that people have no peace, it is a state brought onto themselves if they do not practice good will.

What made me think about this morning are the stories, ideas and opinions coming out from the Charlie Hebdo brutal attacks last week.

Nothing can justify the acts and nothing can stop anyone from condemning the crimes of violence, but there have been comments against freedom of speech, and some said that they should have knew what to expect. Some people may find the correct words and other will not find good words and still they comment in favour or against.

Well, I thought it's all there; in Luke 2:14

You have peace, if you live by good will!

If I say something and you show me that you don't like what you hear, what do I do?
If I be carefull next time not to hurt your sentiments - that's good will,
but if I won't care at all about your sentiments and keep on repeating what hurts you, then that's not really good will.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
01-14-2015, 12:05 PM #2
White Ribbon call me
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hi cloudy..

hmmmmm... so you are saying the people in the office were not of good will for expressing Mo in a bad light etc?

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01-14-2015, 12:52 PM #3
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*sigh* Those people at Charlie Hebdo have a definite agenda. If you see a hornets nest, it's probably best not to get a stick and start poking at it.
People are different, cultures are different, and it's probably best to respect that.
There are no problems here that education, equality between the sexes and some hope for the future can't iron out.
Just stating the obvious here but, that's what is missing from these peoples lives.

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01-14-2015, 01:25 PM #4
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(01-14-2015, 12:52 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  *sigh* Those people at Charlie Hebdo have a definite agenda. If you see a hornets nest, it's probably best not to get a stick and start poking at it.
People are different, cultures are different, and it's probably best to respect that.
There are no problems here that education, equality between the sexes and some hope for the future can't iron out.
Just stating the obvious here but, that's what is missing from these peoples lives.

Agree, respect anyone of different race, belief, culture and most of all education. We have to tollerate, and sometimes go down to levels if we need to for the sake of serenity. But as I tried to put it, you may never know what really hurts me, or you may be surprised. It's when you learn it that you act differently not to hurt me anymore if you are respectful.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
01-14-2015, 01:50 PM #5
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(01-14-2015, 12:05 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  hi cloudy..

hmmmmm... so you are saying the people in the office were not of good will for expressing Mo in a bad light etc?

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hi Ribbon,

What I was saying I think is clearly understandable, am not sure why you ask.

Or should we start pointing out in a list the deeds that are peaceful and those that are not?

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
01-14-2015, 02:05 PM #6
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From my perspective, it's all about respecting our differences. That's a two way street. Charlie Hebdo had to know nothing good would come of this. This is religious baiting pure and simple.
That said, the reaction was both expected, and way over the top, and two wrongs never make a right.
Any type of purposeful discrimination is just bad form, whether it's based on religion, sex, sexual orientation or disability, it's not what I consider humorous.

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01-15-2015, 12:04 AM #7
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I'm sorry, I couldn't help but laff at the Michael Jackson and the "les untouchables" cover pictures.

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01-15-2015, 12:25 AM #8
jaydoom i am doom
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(01-14-2015, 02:05 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  From my perspective, it's all about respecting our differences. That's a two way street. Charlie Hebdo had to know nothing good would come of this. This is religious baiting pure and simple.
That said, the reaction was both expected, and way over the top, and two wrongs never make a right.
Any type of purposeful discrimination is just bad form, whether it's based on religion, sex, sexual orientation or disability, it's not what I consider humorous.
i respect your thoughts here , i just feel that in comedy or satire, nothing should be off limits , if you cant laugh at it, its not for you. in good taste or bad being politically correct, or worring about a groups feelings in expressing your oponion shouldnt matter , you are entitled to free will and free thought and the right to discuss in a public forum , the groups offended have the same right to do so. any attack over cartoons , words , music , photos or like wise is deplorable ,that is hate and un called for .maybe im just a heathen but i think all art is protected free speech.
01-15-2015, 12:28 AM #9
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How many times and how many people have made fun of Jesus? I don't see Christians going all blood and guts. Maybe one thousand years ago but now...

I can see by your coat my friend you're from the other side. Just one thing I got to know. Who won?
01-15-2015, 12:30 AM #10
jaydoom i am doom
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(01-14-2015, 11:56 AM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  Luke 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of good will."
---------- what does this really mean?

It is a statement about fact of state;

First part says that God is in the state of the highest Glory;

Second part says that people who live by good will live in a state of peace.
It's not a punishment that people have no peace, it is a state brought onto themselves if they do not practice good will.

What made me think about this morning are the stories, ideas and opinions coming out from the Charlie Hebdo brutal attacks last week.

Nothing can justify the acts and nothing can stop anyone from condemning the crimes of violence, but there have been comments against freedom of speech, and some said that they should have knew what to expect. Some people may find the correct words and other will not find good words and still they comment in favour or against.

Well, I thought it's all there; in Luke 2:14

You have peace, if you live by good will!

If I say something and you show me that you don't like what you hear, what do I do?
If I be carefull next time not to hurt your sentiments - that's good will,
but if I won't care at all about your sentiments and keep on repeating what hurts you, then that's not really good will.
why only post just one line from that psalm? what does the rest say .. i mean the whole psalm , does it further your argument , hard to take meaning from some thing that was meant to be taken as a whole , ya know in context...? same reason i wont go to church to many people taking one or two lines to suit your needs and not taking the whole psalm or book in context....
01-15-2015, 12:57 AM #11
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It is a beautiful sentence, though:

"You have peace, if you live by good will!"

I'm trying, I'm trying.

Bloody exhausting.
01-15-2015, 10:44 AM #12
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(01-15-2015, 12:57 AM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  It is a beautiful sentence, though:

"You have peace, if you live by good will!"

I'm trying, I'm trying.

Bloody exhausting.

But I'm not sure you got the meaning right tough!

And I'm so surprised why it is so difficult to understand.

To have peace is not exactly a reward for living by good will,

It's the outcome for your actions.

Or, why is'nt peace a normal standard behaviour? For some, for many it is.

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
01-15-2015, 10:48 AM #13
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I always respected my elders, but since time went by I'm noticing its getting harder and harder for me to find many more now.

....... until I read about Henri Roussel;

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/char...id=UP97DHP

“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
01-15-2015, 10:53 AM #14
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(01-15-2015, 10:44 AM)Cloud Atlas Wrote:  
(01-15-2015, 12:57 AM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  It is a beautiful sentence, though:

"You have peace, if you live by good will!"

I'm trying, I'm trying.

Bloody exhausting.

But I'm not sure you got the meaning right tough!

And I'm so surprised why it is so difficult to understand.

To have peace is not exactly a reward for living by good will,

It's the outcome for your actions.

Or, why is'nt peace a normal standard behaviour? For some, for many it is.

Well, that is pretty much how I interpreted it.



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