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08-08-2014, 06:10 PM #61
Octo Mother Superior
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(08-08-2014, 04:57 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  It appears that Canada like other like-minded countries won't just sit idly by and watch

Oh the US been involved in Ukraine's affairs for decades to "promote" their preferred govt. just as Russia has done. Putin didn't cause this.

Quote:Orange Revolution

Involvement of outside forces

Activists in each of these movements were funded and trained in tactics of political organisation and nonviolent resistance by a coalition of Western pollsters and professional consultants who were partly funded by a range of Western government and non-government agencies but received most of their funding from domestic sources.[nb 2][2] According to The Guardian, the foreign donours included the U.S. State Department and USAID along with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, the NGO Freedom House and George Soros's Open Society Institute.[34] The National Endowment for Democracy, a foundation supported by the U.S. government, has supported non-governmental democracy-building efforts in Ukraine since 1988.[35] Writings on nonviolent struggle by Gene Sharp contributed in forming the strategic basis of the student campaigns.[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revo...ide_forces
08-08-2014, 06:12 PM #62
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-08-2014, 06:10 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 04:57 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  It appears that Canada like other like-minded countries won't just sit idly by and watch

Oh the US been involved in Ukraine's affairs for decades to "promote" their preferred govt. just as Russia has done. Putin didn't cause this.

Quote:Orange Revolution

Involvement of outside forces

Activists in each of these movements were funded and trained in tactics of political organisation and nonviolent resistance by a coalition of Western pollsters and professional consultants who were partly funded by a range of Western government and non-government agencies but received most of their funding from domestic sources.[nb 2][2] According to The Guardian, the foreign donours included the U.S. State Department and USAID along with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, the NGO Freedom House and George Soros's Open Society Institute.[34] The National Endowment for Democracy, a foundation supported by the U.S. government, has supported non-governmental democracy-building efforts in Ukraine since 1988.[35] Writings on nonviolent struggle by Gene Sharp contributed in forming the strategic basis of the student campaigns.[32]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revo...ide_forces

Of course, and I recall the Ukrainian people voting for democracy, but Putin seems to not want to allow that to happen.
08-08-2014, 06:16 PM #63
Octo Mother Superior
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I think this has very little to do with democracy.
08-08-2014, 06:18 PM #64
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I believe it does, if we can believe what we read about what the Ukrainian people want.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/24/opinion/ay...index.html
08-08-2014, 06:20 PM #65
Octo Mother Superior
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LoL, no I honestly don't think we can count on cnn or any other media channel to give us an accurate account.
08-08-2014, 06:27 PM #66
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Then I look to other information sources, like this, which helps to sway me in the direction that the people desperately want a change.

Quote:There is a general disconnect between the official rhetoric and how people feel. A recent poll cites 45 per cent of Ukrainians favour joining the EU association agreement over only 20 per cent preferring the Russian-led Customs Union. The people understand that not signing in Vilnius is a great pity, not just for economic and political reasons, but also as an opportunity to tackle some of the inherent problems of corruption in the country. Public trust in politicians is as low as it could be.”

– Transparency International Ukraine, Oleksii Khmara

http://www.transparency.org/news/feature..._speak_out
08-08-2014, 06:43 PM #67
Octo Mother Superior
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Of course the Ukrainians want change. Obama became president on that very premise. Everybody wants change. I want change here in Finland and EU is definitely not the answer. Ukraine for the Ukrainians I say.


Quote:Does the EU’s involvement in Ukraine amount to a form of colonialism?

Brussels is playing a role in Kiev which must be open to question

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...51779.html
08-08-2014, 06:47 PM #68
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Perhaps we should start reading Ukrainian-only journalism on this matter.

http://ukrainianinstitute.org.uk/past-events/1812/

http://www.stopfake.org/en/news/
“So, the United States Senate passed a bill that allows Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova to enter into an alliance with the USA without NATO membership. Now, in case of the direct armed aggression against mentioned states the USA could march their army into these states in order to protect them from the external aggression”.

In fact this news is not true. This is about the bill S. 2277 – Russian Aggression Prevention Act that was brought in by Senator Bob Corker as far back as May 1. According to its status on the page of the Congress, since that time the bill has not passed ahead and has not been considered even.
08-08-2014, 07:10 PM #69
Octo Mother Superior
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It's very difficult to discern what is "real news" or not. There's no such thing as objectivity and there is propaganda on all fronts.
08-08-2014, 07:47 PM #70
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Unless we stick with journalism in the financial community...follow the money and all that (I'm not kidding).

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-08...ebels.html
08-08-2014, 08:35 PM #71
Octo Mother Superior
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08-08-2014, 10:20 PM #72
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(08-08-2014, 06:43 PM)Octo Wrote:  Of course the Ukrainians want change. Obama became president on that very premise. Everybody wants change. I want change here in Finland and EU is definitely not the answer. Ukraine for the Ukrainians I say.


Quote:Does the EU’s involvement in Ukraine amount to a form of colonialism?

Brussels is playing a role in Kiev which must be open to question

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...51779.html

İmage

I've been warn this forum just few months ago for the incoming today's situation. Could you all not foresee just a month ahead? You are unaware of the world background processes, of the "war" between the ruling clans globally (most of them jew by the way).
Do you really think that Putin have so much power? You are total wrong. The power of (any) country is in it's bureaucracy. In Kremlin rule Yeltsin's bureaucracy. Hm, Yeltsin was a jew. Putin belong to Sobchak's clan.

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08-08-2014, 10:23 PM #73
Octo Mother Superior
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Oh it's all the same. I keep my eye on all of them and trust none.

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08-08-2014, 10:26 PM #74
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Well, Putin started it.
08-08-2014, 10:31 PM #75
karutzar Member
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(08-08-2014, 06:16 PM)Octo Wrote:  I think this has very little to do with democracy.

Democracy is illusion. Has always been.

You can become a slave only by voluntary consent.
I am highly allergic to circumcised souls and red flags with Venusian star on them.



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