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Putin bans imports from countries that imposed sanctions on Russia
08-09-2014, 03:31 AM #76
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(08-08-2014, 10:31 PM)karutzar Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 06:16 PM)Octo Wrote:  I think this has very little to do with democracy.

Democracy is illusion. Has always been.

i have to agree and with octos posts above..

Murica is just as guilty as putin with their meddling bullshit all over the world.. probably worse actually..

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08-09-2014, 08:23 AM #77
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(08-09-2014, 03:31 AM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 10:31 PM)karutzar Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 06:16 PM)Octo Wrote:  I think this has very little to do with democracy.

Democracy is illusion. Has always been.

i have to agree and with octos posts above..

Murica is just as guilty as putin with their meddling bullshit all over the world.. probably worse actually..

ppppffffttttttt!!!!!!!!

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08-09-2014, 10:57 AM #78
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(08-08-2014, 10:26 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Well, Putin started it.

How?
08-09-2014, 11:38 AM #79
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Quote:Finnish dairy company Valio announced Friday that it will begin co-determination talks affecting some 800 employees at all but one of its production facilities in Finland. According to the company the negotiations are a direct result of food import restrictions announced by Russia earlier this week.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/dairy_producer_val...go/7401435
08-09-2014, 11:51 AM #80
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(08-09-2014, 10:57 AM)Octo Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 10:26 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Well, Putin started it.

How?

By encircle NATO troops around Rossia, installing khazar junta in Kiev, bombardment all russian (and aborigine) population in Ukraine, committing by those a genocide - just to name a few arguments.

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08-09-2014, 12:22 PM #81
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Installing foreign governments is not a US monopoly. It's the same old power games that have been going on for centuries, if not millennia. No people want war, but the involved parties that want to control a specific area, directly or via a puppet government, do so by creating (or feeding an existing) divide between the people and give them tools (weapons and money etc.) to fight it out amongst themselves, brother against brother. It is ultimately the people that don't want war who end up fighting it for those who want it and fuel it.

The Finnish civil war is a shining example of that, which was a proxy war between Russia and Germany (EU).

To blame Putin is a bit short-sighted in my opinion.
08-09-2014, 12:24 PM #82
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Our short-sightedness is what enables the players to do this over and over sad2.gif
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08-09-2014, 01:08 PM #83
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(08-08-2014, 10:20 PM)karutzar Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 06:43 PM)Octo Wrote:  Of course the Ukrainians want change. Obama became president on that very premise. Everybody wants change. I want change here in Finland and EU is definitely not the answer. Ukraine for the Ukrainians I say.


Quote:Does the EU’s involvement in Ukraine amount to a form of colonialism?

Brussels is playing a role in Kiev which must be open to question

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...51779.html

İmage

I've been warn this forum just few months ago for the incoming today's situation. Could you all not foresee just a month ahead? You are unaware of the world background processes, of the "war" between the ruling clans globally (most of them jew by the way).
Do you really think that Putin have so much power? You are total wrong. The power of (any) country is in it's bureaucracy. In Kremlin rule Yeltsin's bureaucracy. Hm, Yeltsin was a jew. Putin belong to Sobchak's clan.
can you expatiate / elaborate... thanks
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08-09-2014, 03:09 PM #84
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(08-09-2014, 10:57 AM)Octo Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 10:26 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Well, Putin started it.

How?

Putin imposed sanctions back in 2013 ...

http://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/anal...st-moldova
08-09-2014, 03:13 PM #85
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(08-09-2014, 03:09 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Putin imposed sanctions back in 2013 ...

http://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/anal...st-moldova

Quote:A spokeswoman for the Russian Federal Immigration Service has announced in an interview for the Moldovan edition of Kommersant on 30 September that 190,000 Moldovan nationals were currently staying in Russian territory in violation of the immigration laws. She also confirmed the press claims that 6,900 Moldovan nationals had been refused entry to Russia since the beginning of the year.

........officially justified by the discovery of harmful chemical substances in Moldovan products

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08-09-2014, 03:33 PM #86
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From reading a bit more history on this, it looks like it's all about gas and oil for Putin/Russia, and most likely everyone else.

Let the people suffer, let the people not eat cake.
08-09-2014, 04:39 PM #87
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Why did Putin put Russia so close to NATO bases? All his fault.
08-09-2014, 05:12 PM #88
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Well, we can debate all day whose fault this is while the Ukrainians, Iraqis, Syrians etc. etc are getting the shït end of the stick in this power game. As usual.

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08-09-2014, 08:10 PM #89
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(08-09-2014, 01:08 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 10:20 PM)karutzar Wrote:  
(08-08-2014, 06:43 PM)Octo Wrote:  Of course the Ukrainians want change. Obama became president on that very premise. Everybody wants change. I want change here in Finland and EU is definitely not the answer. Ukraine for the Ukrainians I say.


Quote:Does the EU’s involvement in Ukraine amount to a form of colonialism?

Brussels is playing a role in Kiev which must be open to question

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...51779.html

İmage

I've been warn this forum just few months ago for the incoming today's situation. Could you all not foresee just a month ahead? You are unaware of the world background processes, of the "war" between the ruling clans globally (most of them jew by the way).
Do you really think that Putin have so much power? You are total wrong. The power of (any) country is in it's bureaucracy. In Kremlin rule Yeltsin's bureaucracy. Hm, Yeltsin was a jew. Putin belong to Sobchak's clan.
can you expatiate / elaborate... thanks

Well, don't know where to start from. Hierarchy. Not only on State level, but planetary as well. On the State level it is called bureaucracy. It never change, and it's family business. Including Finland. Don't you believe me? I'll argument. As far As I know in Finland is a law which say that closed relatives can't work together in the same department. But the law is a door in the open field and is bypass easily. If I am a boss in some department and want my nephew to get a job I disuse the matter with the boss of the other department. End effect is that we exchange the nephews - I appoint his nephew, he - mine.
There is a number of families in every bureaucracies around the globe. The families never change and defacto they rule the country. It matters very little who is the PM or president. It is true that the PM brings with him/her own staff, but area of influence/business/amount of money is always reserved - it is planed to be so. If some minister want some change in the bureaucracy he must deal with all families in it. I'll give example.

Stalin has change all bureaucracy 3 times - from the top to the bottom. And he couldn't win. At his end was this (must mention - jewish) bureaucracy that poison him.
What happen with USSR. It was segmented by the same bureaucracy - in parts. There is bureaucracy on planetary level which is on higher level than State level of course. This planetary bureaucracy reside on different places - Switzerland, Andorra, just to mention a few. The plan of this higher level bureaucracy for USSR was to be parted/fragmented, the natural resources (very huge one) to be used, and the population to be around 50-60 millions - slavery work force. OK, this was the plan. Very much the same in 1917 - Lenin and junta. Very much the same - Stalin was a Lenin's protege, Putin is the protege of Sobchak. In Rossia are numbers of bureaucracies/families - all of them jewish by the way. Sobchak family rule St. Petersburg and east regions, Yeltsin family Moscow. What they all need was a broken on regions Rossia. They need some failed PM to anounce a brake up of Rossia. So Yeltsin appoint the Sobchak's boy Putin. At that time Rossia was in ruins - no one has pay taxes, obey laws, huge corruption on all levels.
How Putin succeed is another topic. But he inherit all Yeltsin's family bureaucracy. And after so many years on the top as president and PM he has change almost all bureaucracy. The news from yesterday was that he changed the last Yeltsin's generals in the army.

(Some call it NWO - I don't buy the term.) :)

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08-12-2014, 03:00 PM #90
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Ukraine parliament approves first reading of sanctions against Russia

Quote:The bill contains 26 restrictions on Russia, but the most controversial is a ban on energy transit. Yatsenyuk hopes this will help halt his country’s dependence on Russian gas, but the EU might be hurt the hardest.

http://rt.com/business/179688-ukraine-pa...sanctions/

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