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05-12-2013, 07:46 AM #46
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(05-12-2013, 06:39 AM)Capt kwirk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 06:13 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  Because of the materialistic ways we are trained and taught to think and live...

Time and space are interlocked and interconnected within this material reality...

"I'll meet you at seven"..."Okay,where?

"I'll meet you at the park"..."Okay,when?

See what I mean?!

yeah but rememberdifferent species different perception some on another world may have a perception of time by hunger or i'if they do , sleep/ rest

i guess we'd have to live on another planet and toss our clocks to understand and find out

Just imagine living somewhere on earth within the distant past,say around 10,000 years ago...

What would you "think" time would mean then and would it have any meaning at all?

When were sun dials (the original clocks?) first used?
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05-12-2013, 07:57 AM #47
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(05-12-2013, 05:32 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 01:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  As we all know, our time is based of our planet, its rotation and the yearly journey around the Sun.

Now imagine you were on a different planet, with a faster/slower rotation on its axis and a faster/slower trip around the Sun, what we call a year. Wouldn't time on that planet be different than ours? I think so.

Ok, now imagine you had a spaceship that could carry you off this planet and you came to a complete stop out in space. What would you set your clock by?

I dont believe time is a real thing...

I think time is nothing more than a word humans invented to give meaning and structure to our days and nights and the changing seasons as the earth rotates and revolves around the sun and for when we're grinding away at work...

If we threw away all our clocks and watches and calendars and stopped living enslaved by them, what then would remain of time and what would time really mean?


Imo...nothing...

Whenever we fall asleep time vanishes and becomes meaningless,revealing its true self and a thousand years would seem to pass by in an instant...


There would still be night and day... before and after.

Time exists ...at the very least as a sequence of events not unlike the frames on a role of film.

Don't confuse the common way time is understood with what it actually is.

Time is a necessity for existence without which there would be no reality.
05-12-2013, 08:28 AM #48
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(05-12-2013, 07:57 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 05:32 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 01:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  As we all know, our time is based of our planet, its rotation and the yearly journey around the Sun.

Now imagine you were on a different planet, with a faster/slower rotation on its axis and a faster/slower trip around the Sun, what we call a year. Wouldn't time on that planet be different than ours? I think so.

Ok, now imagine you had a spaceship that could carry you off this planet and you came to a complete stop out in space. What would you set your clock by?

I dont believe time is a real thing...

I think time is nothing more than a word humans invented to give meaning and structure to our days and nights and the changing seasons as the earth rotates and revolves around the sun and for when we're grinding away at work...

If we threw away all our clocks and watches and calendars and stopped living enslaved by them, what then would remain of time and what would time really mean?


Imo...nothing...

Whenever we fall asleep time vanishes and becomes meaningless,revealing its true self and a thousand years would seem to pass by in an instant...

Don't confuse the common way time is understood with what it actually is.

Time is a necessity for existence without which there would be no reality.

I totally disagree...

Because we are trained and taught to "think" time is real doesnt mean it really is...

Its just a word,isnt it?

The earth turns and revolves,the sun spins and sets and rises...

And so we have night and day and changing seasons...

Whats time have to do with that?

Imo...nothing at all...

Reality is an illusion and so is time...
05-12-2013, 09:11 AM #49
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(05-12-2013, 08:28 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 07:57 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 05:32 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 01:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  As we all know, our time is based of our planet, its rotation and the yearly journey around the Sun.

Now imagine you were on a different planet, with a faster/slower rotation on its axis and a faster/slower trip around the Sun, what we call a year. Wouldn't time on that planet be different than ours? I think so.

Ok, now imagine you had a spaceship that could carry you off this planet and you came to a complete stop out in space. What would you set your clock by?

I dont believe time is a real thing...

I think time is nothing more than a word humans invented to give meaning and structure to our days and nights and the changing seasons as the earth rotates and revolves around the sun and for when we're grinding away at work...

If we threw away all our clocks and watches and calendars and stopped living enslaved by them, what then would remain of time and what would time really mean?


Imo...nothing...

Whenever we fall asleep time vanishes and becomes meaningless,revealing its true self and a thousand years would seem to pass by in an instant...

Don't confuse the common way time is understood with what it actually is.

Time is a necessity for existence without which there would be no reality.

I totally disagree...

Because we are trained and taught to "think" time is real doesnt mean it really is...

Its just a word,isnt it?

The earth turns and revolves,the sun spins and sets and rises...

And so we have night and day and changing seasons...

Whats time have to do with that?

Imo...nothing at all...

Reality is an illusion and so is time...
Time is and always has and will be, even in between a second there is time when the universe implodes on it's self after the big crunch ther will still be time during what it takes for the big bang to re happen by big crunch i mean that since the big bang time has and is liniar /moving always forward but scientists theorize that when galaxies move so far apart that heat from any and all stars will be so distant from each other that expansion will stop and then a big freeze will occur and as we all know cold /ice contracts and this wil cause galaxies to begin to fall back to the point of where the big bang first took place, this will be known as the big crunch and as this happens time / scientist like stepen hawkings again theorize that time will cease to be liniar/ always moving forward .. allowing for reverse time travel ' travel back in time may be possible' then when all matter from the universe is gathered in one spot there will be another big bang -- time will become liniar again/ forward but even during the milli / micro second/ seconds of when all universal matter is gathered together and before another big bang happens there is and will be time,, don't believe me? google is your friend

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05-12-2013, 09:32 AM #50
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The multiverse theory (or one of them, anyway) suggests that just outside of our universe, other universes are appearing and disappearing, each in their own bubble of space-time. Generally, these universes don't get close enough to interact, but sometimes a universe will appear right next to ours, and when that happens, we get smacked.

Getting smacked by an entire universe would definitely leave a mark. Specifically, it would leave a disk-like pattern in our universe's cosmic microwave background radiation, and this is what a group of cosmologists from University College London have been looking for. Somewhat incredibly, they managed to find some of these bruises. Four of them. And it's ten times more likely that the four marks are universe collision signatures than that they are anything else that we know of.

Still, the overall statistical significance of the cosmic microwave background marks is not that great, and more data are necessary before we can definitively prove this whole bumper-car multiverse theory one way or another. Fortunately, a new microwave satellite is currently collecting data at three times the resolution of what was used in this study, and by sometime in 2013, we should get a definitive answer as to whether or not there are a whole bunch more universes floating around out there.

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05-12-2013, 09:43 AM #51
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(05-12-2013, 08:28 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 07:57 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 05:32 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 01:30 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  As we all know, our time is based of our planet, its rotation and the yearly journey around the Sun.

Now imagine you were on a different planet, with a faster/slower rotation on its axis and a faster/slower trip around the Sun, what we call a year. Wouldn't time on that planet be different than ours? I think so.

Ok, now imagine you had a spaceship that could carry you off this planet and you came to a complete stop out in space. What would you set your clock by?

I dont believe time is a real thing...

I think time is nothing more than a word humans invented to give meaning and structure to our days and nights and the changing seasons as the earth rotates and revolves around the sun and for when we're grinding away at work...

If we threw away all our clocks and watches and calendars and stopped living enslaved by them, what then would remain of time and what would time really mean?


Imo...nothing...

Whenever we fall asleep time vanishes and becomes meaningless,revealing its true self and a thousand years would seem to pass by in an instant...

Don't confuse the common way time is understood with what it actually is.

Time is a necessity for existence without which there would be no reality.

I totally disagree...

Because we are trained and taught to "think" time is real doesnt mean it really is...

Its just a word,isnt it?

The earth turns and revolves,the sun spins and sets and rises...

And so we have night and day and changing seasons...

Whats time have to do with that?

Imo...nothing at all...

Reality is an illusion and so is time...


Everything would happen at the same moment or not at all... don't you see?

There is no spinning, there is no sun setting and rising... there is no movement because there is no past or future without time.

It's not just a word.

There is no experience without time... there is no show. There is no life. There is nothing because all is at once with no reference to order events.

The only truly real thing is no thing at all... if you want to approach it from that aspect. yes its all a hologram and not really real ...but nothing is the only truly real thing so what does that make reality? ...as real as it gets. So if you want to also say time doesn't really exist then nothing is really all that exists... except that nothing is impossible as it takes something for it to exist.

0=1

Existence relies on time in some form or another... even if you exist outside of time you still exist within your own pocket of time.

I think the problem is in the definition you are using for the word... like I said perhaps it is better to think of it at least as a sequence of events... cause and effect. Such things don't happen with out a before and after ...doesn't matter how we measure it or if we measure it at all. GRowth... expansion. absolutely everything relies on sequence. You can't just throw that at away by saying time is a man made invention... clocks and calendars are man made. not time.
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05-12-2013, 04:38 PM #52
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(05-12-2013, 01:36 AM)Octo Wrote:  Actually, time is tied to gravity so it's not exactly based on earth as a constant. Time is relative.


that's not correct. time is tied to acceleration. you didn't understand einsteins theory of relativity.
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05-12-2013, 10:59 PM #53
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(05-12-2013, 04:38 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-12-2013, 01:36 AM)Octo Wrote:  Actually, time is tied to gravity so it's not exactly based on earth as a constant. Time is relative.


that's not correct. time is tied to acceleration. you didn't understand einsteins theory of relativity.


What you mean is "velocity".

Gravity is the compression of space... compression of distance/length. So it does play a factor ...as velocity is measured by rate of distance traversed. Which affects your flow of time.

05-13-2013, 04:01 AM #54
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Time reveals its true self and becomes totally meaningless every time we fall asleep...

Where and when a thousand years would pass by completely unnoticed in an instant...

Do animals revolve their lives around clocks and calendars?

Do animals teach their young how to live enslaved by them?

No...not at all...

Because animals live in harmony with nature and are driven by instinct...

Thats why time means nothing to animals...

And humans live at war with nature and are driven by greed...

Thats why we "think" and want to "believe" time is real...
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05-13-2013, 04:20 AM #55
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(05-13-2013, 04:01 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  Time reveals its true self and becomes totally meaningless every time we fall asleep...

Where and when a thousand years would pass by completely unnoticed in an instant...

Do animals revolve their lives around clocks and calendars?

Do animals teach their young how to live enslaved by them?

No...not at all...

Because animals live in harmony with nature and are driven by instinct...

Thats why time means nothing to animals...

And humans live at war with nature and are driven by greed...

Thats why we "think" and want to "believe" time is real...


Absolutely right... but again you are talking about the measurement of time not time itself.

The earth still revolves the same amount every revolution it makes around the sun regardless of there being a count taken.

Animals still notice seasons and remember remember cycles and there is still birth, growth and death. None of which is possible without time.

Time is very real but man is the only one counting every second of every day of every week of every month of every year.

It exists independent of this and animals do measure it instinctively ...as it affects their environment. They just don't keep track of time like we do.

I actually find it quite comforting when I lose track of time ...forget what day it is or what month or hour ...just be.

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05-13-2013, 04:44 AM #56
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I think time is real and needed for things like teaching our history, but those in power have learned to abuse it for their gain, it starts early with public school and being punished for being late. Then comes work with punching a time clock which continues the punishment for being late, even if you have a flat tire or something not of your control. Materialism is one of societies greatest enemies IMO.

Was reading around trying to find the answer to the question in the OP about space and time keeping, where there is no gravity or reference of a planet to go by. The fiction of Star Trek uses Star Dates to keep track and it's actually based off of the Julian Calender. Astronomy uses updated versions and from what I brushed through, it is possible to get a time, date and position from Stars. I don't like math so that's about as far as I'm going with it. :)

Some interesting comments in here, maybe even some thread starting material that can get the mind to wonder about the Universe and everything in it. ;)
05-13-2013, 07:04 AM #57
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(05-13-2013, 04:20 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(05-13-2013, 04:01 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  Time reveals its true self and becomes totally meaningless every time we fall asleep...

Where and when a thousand years would pass by completely unnoticed in an instant...

Do animals revolve their lives around clocks and calendars?

Do animals teach their young how to live enslaved by them?

No...not at all...

Because animals live in harmony with nature and are driven by instinct...

Thats why time means nothing to animals...

And humans live at war with nature and are driven by greed...

Thats why we "think" and want to "believe" time is real...


Absolutely right... but again you are talking about the measurement of time not time itself.

The earth still revolves the same amount every revolution it makes around the sun regardless of there being a count taken.

Animals still notice seasons and remember remember cycles and there is still birth, growth and death. None of which is possible without time.

Time is very real but man is the only one counting every second of every day of every week of every month of every year.

It exists independent of this and animals do measure it instinctively ...as it affects their environment. They just don't keep track of time like we do.

I actually find it quite comforting when I lose track of time ...forget what day it is or what month or hour ...just be.

Lets say humans are the only intelligent life forms in the universe...

Now imagine humans no longer exist...

Those conglomerations of rock water magma and ice we call planets will still be orbiting around the massive nuclear and hydrogen furnaces we call stars...

They will still display their cycles of spinning and revolving around eachother...

But time will have nothing to do with what they're doing...

Our analytical brains need to measure things like length and width and depth and we like to figure out how long something takes to happen...

So we invented a word called time to do that...

But time is nothing beyond the meaning of that word...
05-13-2013, 07:11 AM #58
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"The apparent separation between past present and future is only an illusion,although a convincing one" - Albert Einstein

Which also means our perceptions of time are not real...
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05-13-2013, 07:36 AM #59
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(05-13-2013, 07:11 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  "The apparent separation between past present and future is only an illusion,although a convincing one" - Albert Einstein

Which also means our perceptions of time are not real...


Well now :)

See it then as different nows ordered in a sequence ...which defines time then as merely a sequence of events which would have a "framerate" associated with it.

...and don't confuse external time with internal time which is variable.

Our heads have a time machine built into it... it is how we remember experiences. Everything is recorded in time. When we have memories we are accessing instances in time, replaying experience, which usually gets distorted as it is pulled to the surface. Someone with a photo graphic memory is able to access raw or cleanly. Memories aren't stored in the brain ...except perhaps where their locations are in the akashic.
05-13-2013, 08:01 AM #60
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(05-13-2013, 07:11 AM)Beyond Smolensk Wrote:  "The apparent separation between past present and future is only an illusion,although a convincing one" - Albert Einstein

Which also means our perceptions of time are not real...

Hmmm?...So...The past and present and future are all happening simultaneously all around us all the time?!...No wonder I feel strange sensations of dejavu like every day and night...Unbelievable...Meaning theres millions perhaps billions or more of different scenarios from millions perhaps billions or more of different realities all existing within various vibrational frequencies of the electromagnetic spectrum at the same moment?!...Which explains where ghosts and demons and poltergeists and sasquatch and aliens and flying saucers are arriving here from?!...Wtf?!



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