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06-08-2013, 05:07 PM #106
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)Blather Wrote:  How is this sport/exercise bullshit any more 'heroic' than a chain smoker or a junkie? Apparently in a health/sport/pagan wosrhipping culture, this is holier than someone who risks their life with, say, heroin?

I just can't believe how much bullshit is promoted about 'sport' it's as bad if not worse that slebrity bullshitl.


You certainly selected an apt handle. cheers.gif
06-08-2013, 05:07 PM #107
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(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)IAMI Wrote:  The Coast Guard has looked for me before. chuckle.gif Now I tell them when I'm going out.

I use a whitewater kayak out on Lake Michigan because of the frequency of the waves. It's not like the ocean at all. A half mile off of shore in rough water will put both the bow and stern under a wave on a 17 foot sea kayak. Once you're on a wave, you need to turn using a hull with no edges or chines. So, in Lake Michigan, whitewater kayaking is exploding.

The Jackson pros came to where I live and filed this. I'm going out to where this was filmed in 2 hours. The lake is flat today. No waves where they filmed. Nice calm, sunny ride.





No problemo, it's a lake if you wanna take risks, try some tricky river currents, you go out on the ocean, you're on you're own. there is no obigation to help you, you took that risk.
06-08-2013, 05:07 PM #108
Octo Mother Superior
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(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)Blather Wrote:  How is this sport/exercise bullshit any more 'heroic' than a chain smoker or a junkie? Apparently in a health/sport/pagan wosrhipping culture, this is holier than someone who risks their life with, say, heroin?

I just can't believe how much bullshit is promoted about 'sport' it's as bad if not worse that slebrity bullshitl.


What do you mean? Sport/exercise is good for you whereas smoking and hard drugs not so much. I see a big difference there.
06-08-2013, 05:08 PM #109
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(06-08-2013, 05:07 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)Blather Wrote:  How is this sport/exercise bullshit any more 'heroic' than a chain smoker or a junkie? Apparently in a health/sport/pagan wosrhipping culture, this is holier than someone who risks their life with, say, heroin?

I just can't believe how much bullshit is promoted about 'sport' it's as bad if not worse that slebrity bullshitl.


You certainly selected an apt handle. cheers.gif


That the best you got, skirt boy?
06-08-2013, 05:12 PM #110
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(06-08-2013, 05:05 PM)Blather Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 04:59 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 04:56 PM)Blather Wrote:  wut and who pays for that?


why shouldn't the government help people in trouble? thats what we pay taxes for.. coffeetime.gif


I don't have a problem with it if people have inadvertently put themselves in danger, but no, therere's no reason for the taxpayers to support or subisdise the rescue of those who knowkingly put themselves in danger.


Taxpayers (about 1/3 of the US)chuckle.gif

I let the Coast Guard know to not come for me. Unless I call. They also look for me to come back. This avoids a concerned person calling in on a cell phone.

Quote:It's a similar scenario for the Coast Guard. Even if you were to take a canoe out into the Atlantic in the middle of a hurricane and the Coast Guard had to use a 110-ft. patrol boat (which costs $1,147 per hour) or a C-130 turboprop airplane ($7,600 per hour), you wouldn't have to pay a dime. Your story may be turned into a public service announcement on how to avoid endangering yourself/being an idiot on the ocean, but it wouldn't cost you any money. "If you get yourself in trouble, regardless of the circumstances, that doesn't weigh into any factor in our response," says Commander Erin MacDonald, chief of the Coast Guard's office for Search and Rescue Policy. (Of course, if you run out of gas on a sunny day, don't expect the Coast Guard to come racing over to tow you to shore. It will give you contact info for a towing company or put out an alert to good sea-maritans who might be able to help you out gratis, but the Coast Guard itself will only tow you in as a last resort — in which case you'll get unstranded for free.) In fact, the only time that the Coast Guard gets money back for rescues is when they are the victim of a hoax — like in the uniquely bizarre case of a middle schooler radioing in an emergency from the back seat of a school bus.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/...21,00.html

I you get lost in Colorado on BLM land, for instance, you will be charged for Search and Rescue. If you buy a fishing or hunting license, you can pay an extra dollar, and then you don't pay search and rescue costs.
06-08-2013, 05:14 PM #111
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(06-08-2013, 05:07 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)Blather Wrote:  How is this sport/exercise bullshit any more 'heroic' than a chain smoker or a junkie? Apparently in a health/sport/pagan wosrhipping culture, this is holier than someone who risks their life with, say, heroin?

I just can't believe how much bullshit is promoted about 'sport' it's as bad if not worse that slebrity bullshitl.


What do you mean? Sport/exercise is good for you whereas smoking and hard drugs not so much. I see a big difference there.


No, they're essentially the same. Why should I or any other taxpayer fund knee replacements for joggers? Their either is no heirarchy of 'help' and anyone and everyone is equally allowed to access help/meidical services, regardless of whether they have brought it upon themselves or not. To say that those who risk their lives and put others under a financial burden to help them in the name of 'sport/health', well that's promoting an ideology. Either everyone is equal and that appliies to all forms of 'risk' or its' not, if it's not, there's an ideology being imposed.
06-08-2013, 05:15 PM #112
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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(06-08-2013, 05:08 PM)Blather Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:07 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)Blather Wrote:  How is this sport/exercise bullshit any more 'heroic' than a chain smoker or a junkie? Apparently in a health/sport/pagan wosrhipping culture, this is holier than someone who risks their life with, say, heroin?

I just can't believe how much bullshit is promoted about 'sport' it's as bad if not worse that slebrity bullshitl.


You certainly selected an apt handle. cheers.gif


That the best you got, skirt boy?


Call it as I see it ~ you are atagonistic to every poster in the thread and seem to think your pov is the be all end all. In other words, you blather. Of course, you may just be itching for disagreement, in which case, Passive-Aggressive might have been a better choice.
06-08-2013, 05:15 PM #113
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(06-08-2013, 05:13 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:05 PM)Blather Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 04:59 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 04:56 PM)Blather Wrote:  wut and who pays for that?


why shouldn't the government help people in trouble? thats what we pay taxes for.. coffeetime.gif


I don't have a problem with it if people have inadvertently put themselves in danger, but no, therere's no reason for the taxpayers to support or subisdise the rescue of those who knowkingly put themselves in danger.


you mean pagan worshippers.. yeah?


No I'm not in a position to know the religious/spiritual proclivities of these people.
06-08-2013, 05:17 PM #114
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(06-08-2013, 05:07 PM)Blather Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)IAMI Wrote:  The Coast Guard has looked for me before. chuckle.gif Now I tell them when I'm going out.

I use a whitewater kayak out on Lake Michigan because of the frequency of the waves. It's not like the ocean at all. A half mile off of shore in rough water will put both the bow and stern under a wave on a 17 foot sea kayak. Once you're on a wave, you need to turn using a hull with no edges or chines. So, in Lake Michigan, whitewater kayaking is exploding.

The Jackson pros came to where I live and filed this. I'm going out to where this was filmed in 2 hours. The lake is flat today. No waves where they filmed. Nice calm, sunny ride.





No problemo, it's a lake if you wanna take risks, try some tricky river currents, you go out on the ocean, you're on you're own. there is no obigation to help you, you took that risk.


The risk that I take on the interstate in a car is far greater. I'm trained and physically fit. I have all of the safety gear and can swim miles in rip current. I also have flippers tied to me in case I need to swim to shore. Full drysuit for the cold water.

Nearly all wind surfers, surfers, whitewater kayakers, and kite sailors on Lake Michigan take safety precautions.

Tricky river currents? That's next week.
06-08-2013, 05:21 PM #115
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
 
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)IAMI Wrote:  The Coast Guard has looked for me before. chuckle.gif Now I tell them when I'm going out.

I use a whitewater kayak out on Lake Michigan because of the frequency of the waves. It's not like the ocean at all. A half mile off of shore in rough water will put both the bow and stern under a wave on a 17 foot sea kayak. Once you're on a wave, you need to turn using a hull with no edges or chines. So, in Lake Michigan, whitewater kayaking is exploding.

The Jackson pros came to where I live and filed this. I'm going out to where this was filmed in 2 hours. The lake is flat today. No waves where they filmed. Nice calm, sunny ride.





LOL too much for me. I don't put in with a stubby anymore. Here's a vid of Skookumchuk rapids, some brave souls damned.gif

06-08-2013, 05:22 PM #116
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The whole adrenaline/risk thing is a junkie thing, these sports/health nuts are, in their own way junkies, yeah?

I respect this guy and he died doing it, doing what he loved, which was rislky'sporty' stuff, but uh should we all hafta rescue these people?



06-08-2013, 05:28 PM #117
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
 
We should all just sit dociley in our houses and do nothing but pay taxes. right.
06-08-2013, 05:30 PM #118
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(06-08-2013, 05:21 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(06-08-2013, 05:02 PM)IAMI Wrote:  The Coast Guard has looked for me before. chuckle.gif Now I tell them when I'm going out.

I use a whitewater kayak out on Lake Michigan because of the frequency of the waves. It's not like the ocean at all. A half mile off of shore in rough water will put both the bow and stern under a wave on a 17 foot sea kayak. Once you're on a wave, you need to turn using a hull with no edges or chines. So, in Lake Michigan, whitewater kayaking is exploding.

The Jackson pros came to where I live and filed this. I'm going out to where this was filmed in 2 hours. The lake is flat today. No waves where they filmed. Nice calm, sunny ride.





LOL too much for me. I don't put in with a stubby anymore. Here's a vid of Skookumchuk rapids, some brave souls damned.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVBdBdFSPlw


LOL, I don't do tricks. Just some spinning and up and down. The "rollers" as people call them are out in deeper water like 80-100 feet. They don't whitecap much when I go. So, it's up and down like a bobber. Feels good.

Mostly I like to paddle. I have a Perception Prodigy 12 foot that I'm taking out today. Not many flat water, sunny days. Must seize the moment.

Nice Necky. Luv their sleds.hi5.gif
06-08-2013, 05:30 PM #119
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naw but the sports/health junkie thing is not more righteous nor more deserving of help than the heroin addict. It's the 'holier than thou' thing I object to,
06-08-2013, 05:31 PM #120
IAMI Member
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(06-08-2013, 05:22 PM)Blather Wrote:  The whole adrenaline/risk thing is a junkie thing, these sports/health nuts are, in their own way junkies, yeah?

I respect this guy and he died doing it, doing what he loved, which was rislky'sporty' stuff, but uh should we all hafta rescue these people?





You're going to have to tell the little girl that lost her cat in a tree that the taxpayer's can't afford to pay the fireman to help her. You'll be the neighborhood hero.



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