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Reformation by Pope Francis
11-26-2013, 05:17 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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[quote]"As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems," he wrote.

He chose to be called Francis after the medieval Italian saint of the same name famed for choosing a life of poverty.

"How can it be that it is not a news item when an elderly homeless person dies of exposure, but it is news when the stock market loses two points?"[quote]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/no...sm-tyranny

I like this new pope's preaching, but I wonder if he can really effect any significant changes within the Vatican and it's outreaches.
11-26-2013, 10:00 PM #2
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If interest with the pope's reformation garners the amount of attention as it is doing here on KB, then I'd say he has no hope in hell. sad2.gif But wouldn't it be nice.

"Since his election, Francis has set an example for austerity in the Church, living in a Vatican guest house rather than the ornate Apostolic Palace, travelling in a Ford Focus, and last month suspending a bishop who spent millions of euros on his luxurious residence."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl...e15600441/

However, this pope seems to practice what he preaches.
11-26-2013, 10:09 PM #3
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11-26-2013, 10:14 PM #4
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ROME (CNN) - Pope Francis' crusade against corruption in the Catholic Church, including an overhaul of the scandal-scarred Vatican Bank, has put the new pontiff in the Italian mafia's crosshairs, according to two organized crime experts.

"The strong will of Pope Francis, aiming to disrupt the gangrene power centers, puts him at risk. He disturbs the mafia very much," Nicola Gratteri, a top anti-mafia prosecutor in Italy, told CNN on Thursday.

"I don't have precise information about a plan of the mafia against Pope Francis," Gratteri continued. "But if I did, I wouldn't say."

Gratteri, a deputy prosecutor in Reggio Calabria, a city in southern Italy, is a well-known foe of Calabria's notorious mafia, known as 'Ndrangheta.

The mob's anger with the Pope centers on the Vatican Bank, which the new pontiff has tried to reform, according to experts on the Italian underworld.http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/14...ia-threat/

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11-26-2013, 10:16 PM #5
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sad2.gif The people with wealth and power won't be giving it up easily and I know the pope's car is not bulletproof.
11-26-2013, 10:18 PM #6
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I agree US

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11-26-2013, 10:29 PM #7
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To me, it seems that people with real power, that exercise that power for economic and political reform for the betterment of life for the average citizen are targetted for assassination by the wealthy and powerful - good or bad.
11-26-2013, 10:37 PM #8
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I don't believe anything that comes out of the Vatican. These people tried to cover-up all those pedos. I don't think Bama would even do that.
11-26-2013, 10:44 PM #9
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It looks like Pope Francis is stepping up to the plate on pedophilia within the clergy ... well at the Vatican at this point, but give him some more time...then the world.

Quote:Issuing a "Motu Proprio" Pope Francis has updated Vatican law to specify sexual violence against children as a crime and impose tough penalties for staff who leak confidential Vatican information.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/art...l?ID=12078
11-26-2013, 10:49 PM #10
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(11-26-2013, 10:44 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  It looks like Pope Francis is stepping up to the plate on pedophilia within the clergy ... well at the Vatican at this point, but give him some more time...then the world.

Quote:Issuing a "Motu Proprio" Pope Francis has updated Vatican law to specify sexual violence against children as a crime and impose tough penalties for staff who leak confidential Vatican information.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/art...l?ID=12078

He is a member of the catholic church he was against their actions he would no longer be a member of said church
11-26-2013, 10:56 PM #11
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(11-26-2013, 10:49 PM)CuckooKill Wrote:  
(11-26-2013, 10:44 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  It looks like Pope Francis is stepping up to the plate on pedophilia within the clergy ... well at the Vatican at this point, but give him some more time...then the world.

Quote:Issuing a "Motu Proprio" Pope Francis has updated Vatican law to specify sexual violence against children as a crime and impose tough penalties for staff who leak confidential Vatican information.

http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/art...l?ID=12078

He is a member of the catholic church he was against their actions he would no longer be a member of said church

I'm glad he is stepping up and tackling these complex issues head on and keeping true to his beliefs, not the other members who are lost to wealth and power and what evil that has given rise to within them.
11-26-2013, 11:16 PM #12
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(11-26-2013, 10:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I'm glad he is stepping up and tackling these complex issues head on and keeping true to his beliefs, not the other members who are lost to wealth and power and what evil that has given rise to within them.

yup.gif I'm certain he' got plenty of backlash from within. He's doing the right things so far. Was unimpressed with the last pope not taking these issues up.

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11-26-2013, 11:37 PM #13
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(11-26-2013, 11:16 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(11-26-2013, 10:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I'm glad he is stepping up and tackling these complex issues head on and keeping true to his beliefs, not the other members who are lost to wealth and power and what evil that has given rise to within them.

yup.gif I'm certain he' got plenty of backlash from within. He's doing the right things so far. Was unimpressed with the last pope not taking these issues up.

The other popes seemed to just vanish down the Vatican's rabbit hole of wealth and luxury. This pope has denied himself those temptations and is keeping to his core beliefs...I am very impressed with him. I wonder what else he's got up his sleeve.
11-26-2013, 11:52 PM #14
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Well to find out I'd better get reading those 50,000 words of his.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/france...um_en.html
11-26-2013, 11:56 PM #15
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The Obama administration, in what’s been called an egregious slap in the face to the Vatican, has moved to shut down the U.S. Embassy to the Holy See — a free-standing facility — and relocate offices onto the grounds of the larger American Embassy in Italy.

The new offices will be in a separate building on the property, Breitbart reported.

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SEE ALSO: Pope Francis takes veiled swipe at ‘progressive’ Democrats

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And while U.S. officials are touting the relocation as a security measure that’s a cautionary reaction to last year’s attacks on America's facility in Benghazi, several former American envoys are raising the red flag.

It’s a “massive downgrade of U.S.-Vatican ties,” said former U.S. Ambassador James Nicholson in the National Catholic Reporter. “It’s turning this embassy into a stepchild of the embassy to Italy. The Holy See is a pivot point for international affairs and a major listening post for the United States, and … [it’s] an insult to American Catholics and to the Vatican.”

Mr. Nicholson — whose views were echoed by former envoys Francis Rooney, Mary Ann Glendon, Raymond Flynn and Thomas Melady — also called the justification for closing the existing facility a “smokescreen,” Breitbart reported.

“That’s like saying people get killed on highways because they drive cars on them,” he said in the report. “We’re not a pauper nation … if we want to secure an embassy, we certainly can.”

Moreover, the existing facility has “state of the art” security, he said.

Mr. Flynn, meanwhile, said the administration’s announcement reflects a hostility toward the Catholic Church.

“It’s not just those who bomb churches and kill Catholics in the Middle East who are our antagonists, but it’s also those who restrict our religious freedoms and want to close down our embassy to the Holy See,” he said in the National Catholic Reporter. “[There’s no] diplomatic or political benefit to the United States” from the relocation at all, he added.

Catholic Vote, a publication for the Church community, called the move “an unmistakable slap in the face” that clearly communicates that the United States cares little for the diplomatic facility.

And Mr. Nicholson went on, as Breitbart reported: “It’s another manifestation of the antipathy of this administration both to Catholics and to the Vatican — and to Christians in the Middle East. This is a key post for intermediation in so many sovereignties but particularly in the Middle East. This is anything but a good time to diminish the stature of this post. To diminish the stature of this post is to diminish its influence


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