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03-01-2014, 11:55 PM #196
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>UKRAINE ASKS EU, US AND NATO TO LOOK AT ALL POSSIBLE MECHANISMS FOR PROTECTING ITS TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY – FOREIGN MINISTER</p>&mdash; DefenceToday.com (@DefenceToday) <a href="https://twitter.com/DefenceToday/statuses/439865225731653632">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-01-2014, 11:57 PM #197
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I think too many foreign interests are meddling in something that should be a Ukrainian affair.

I read a little on the history of the country;

Quote:Crimea only became part of Ukraine in 1954, when Khrushchev gave it to Kiev as a present.

Ukraine became an independent country for the first time since the Middle Ages when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. It had many of the requirements for success: an educated population, good links with the outside world and substantial industry, though its economy remained distorted by the Soviet legacy. But it was still divided, with an uncertain sense of nationhood. Today 77 per cent of the country’s population is Ukrainian. But 17 per cent is Russian, a third of the population speak Russian and many of these people have strong family ties with Russia. Only the Ukrainians from Galicia look unequivocally to the West.

Meanwhile, most Russians feel strong emotional links to Ukraine as the cradle of their civilisation. Even the most open minded feel its loss like an amputated limb.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comm...62734.html
03-01-2014, 11:58 PM #198
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Yes I read that earlier too. Thought provoking. cheers.gif

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03-02-2014, 12:11 AM #199
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BY ADMIRAL JAMES STAVRIDIS (RET)

Now that Vladimir Putin's Olympics are over, his gaze has turned inexorably to what he clearly regards as the premier foreign policy priority of the Russian Federation: retaining determinative influence -- if not full control -- over Ukraine.
He went to the Russian parliament to formally request permission for what he has already done -- send troops into Ukraine -- and it approved the move. News reports indicate the Russian military has seized Crimea. This is a volatile, dangerous situation without foreign intervention; and his behavior is reckless. Like a chess player leaning forward, his moves are sweeping the board.
What is NATO's move?
The United States has responded strongly through normal diplomatic channels, with Secretary of State John Kerry calling this an action with "grave consequences" -- freighted language in the world of diplomacy. The president and secretary of defense have echoed this, and further condemnation will no doubt be forthcoming.
Certainly the shadow of recent Russian activity in Georgia, including the invasion and creation of the "independent" states of Abkhazia and Ossetia, looms over the situation, as does Russian activity in Transnistria. Will Crimea be next?
All of this, of course, is magnified by the strategic importance to Russia of the Black Sea port and the presence of a significant part of their fleet and its guaranteed access to the Mediterranean and the Levant.
Hopefully, there can be high-level diplomatic discussions at the United Nations, European Union, and other international organizations that will lead to full territorial integrity of the sovereign state of Ukraine. And the state of the Russian Black Sea fleet has to be sensibly resolved, as do important trading and energy relations. The hope is that cooler heads will prevail.
However, hope is not a strategy, and therefore further action should be considered. Planning is vital to laying out options to decision makers, and NATO's military planners should have a busy weekend at least.
This is a classic case of a situation where the United States should be working in lock step with our allies around the world, but especially our European friends and most notably the 28 members of the NATO alliance.
NATO should call an immediate emergency session and weigh its options in the political, diplomatic, economic, and military dimensions.
In the military sphere, these include ordering the Supreme Headquarters, Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE), led by U.S. General Phil Breedlove, to conduct prudent planning and present options in response to the situation. While such planning should be left to the current commanders and military experts, some ideas to consider would include:
Increasing all intelligence-gathering functions through satellite, Predator unmanned vehicles, and especially cyber.
Using the NATO-Ukrainian Council and existing military partnerships with the Ukrainian military to share information, intelligence, and situational awareness with authorities in Kiev.
Providing advice to Ukrainian armed forces to prepare and position themselves in the event of further conflict.
Developing NATO contingency plans to react to full-scale invasion of Ukraine and to a partial invasion likely of Crimea. NATO contingency planning can be cumbersome, but in Libya it moved quickly.
Assigning one of the NATO Joint Force Commands (either Naples, Italy, or Brunsum, Netherlands) into direct overwatch of the situation.
Standing up NATO crisis centers to full manning, especially at SHAPE and the relevant Joint Force Command.
Ensuring that the Land and Maritime Component Commands (Northwood in the United Kingdom and Izmir, Turkey, respectively) are conducting prudent planning in their areas of expertise and feeding their analysis to the Joint Force Command.
Bringing the NATO Response Force, a 25,000 man sea, air, land, special forces capability to a higher state of alert.
Convening allies with cyber-capabilities (this is not a NATO specialty) to consider options -- at a minimum to defend Ukraine if it is attacked in this domain (as Georgia was).
Sailing NATO maritime forces into the Black Sea and setting up contingency plans for their use.
Many will consider any level of NATO involvement provocative and potentially inflammatory. Unfortunately, the stakes are high and the Russians are moving. Sitting idle, without at least looking at options, is a mistake for NATO and would itself constitute a signal to Putin -- one that he would welcome.

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03-02-2014, 12:15 AM #200
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UNSC Meeting about to begin LIVE here http://webtv.un.org/

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03-02-2014, 12:28 AM #201
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This is blatant provocation by the US, I'm no fan of either side, they're both just as bad. However, in this instance it's the US who've acted despicably. Again. They know of the HUGE and historical importance of the Crimea region to the Russians, an area where locals speak Russian and consider themselves such. It holds Russia's black sea base, which is not just important, but VITAL to the Russian military (not so much their economy anymore, but historically their economy depended upon it) and is a region they've passionately defended for a long time now, fighting multiple wars (one of the most important being the Crimean war after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, which was interestingly a major part of the domino effect which brought about the first world war) to maintain their quicker access to the Mediterranean naval theater.

Since their attempt to provoke Russia through Syria failed, the US have taken an option which can't possibly fail. With most Siberian gas lines running through the Ukraine to Europe, plus the aforementioned naval port drama you can see how things aren't as cut and dry as they seem in the media. Unlike with Syria (where public opposition was a strong factor) this time the US have an airtight legal cause to go to war, in the form of a treaty which was signed in 1994 between the UK, US and Russia to respect Ukrainian independence in return for the Ukraine surrendering their nuclear weaponry.

The US will claim that Russia is violating this treaty, the Russians will claim the US violated it first with destabilizing political tactics. I WOULD side with the Russians, if it weren't for the fact they have not respected their own boundaries. If they had simply protected Crimean land I could believe maybe they were peacefully protecting their military assets from potential civil war. However reports show they may be trying to push further into Ukraine, which would of course be counter-provocation (this I must research a bit more before deciding whether or not it's Western sensationalism and propaganda, but then again I guess a bit of time will tell).

I'm guessing most of us here are on the side of the Ukrainian people as opposed to picking east vs west?
03-02-2014, 12:29 AM #202
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Armed men in masks captured TradeUnionsHouse in <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Simferopol&amp;src=hash">#Simferopol</a>. Journalists based there managed to leave safely. investigator |PR News <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a></p>&mdash; Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/statuses/439872585724334081">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-02-2014, 12:50 AM #203
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Russian ambassador to <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UN&amp;src=hash">#UN</a> refers to <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Yanukovych&amp;src=hash">#Yanukovych</a> as a legal democratically elected President of Ukraine |PR News <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Euromaidan&amp;src=hash">#Euromaidan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CrimeaInvasion&amp;src=hash">#CrimeaInvasion</a></p>&mdash; Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/statuses/439876075850829824">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-02-2014, 12:52 AM #204
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23US&amp;src=hash">#US</a> calls for 'immediate deployment of international observers' 'mediation mission' to <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RussiaInvadesUkraine&amp;src=hash">#RussiaInvadesUkraine</a> <a href="https://*.co/zJEglqFMuQ">pic.twitter.com/zJEglqFMuQ</a></p>&mdash; Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/statuses/439879176858787840">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-02-2014, 12:55 AM #205
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Britain&amp;src=hash">#Britain</a> withdrew its ambassador from <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Russia&amp;src=hash">#Russia</a> <a href="https://*.co/SudHX93i8Y">https://*.co/SudHX93i8Y</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/euromaidan">@euromaidan</a> |PR <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CrimeaInvasion&amp;src=hash">#CrimeaInvasion</a></p>&mdash; Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/statuses/439881053143330816">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-02-2014, 12:59 AM #206
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That's the end of my updates for now. I need a break. Back tomorrow.

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03-02-2014, 01:14 AM #207
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(03-02-2014, 12:52 AM)NODOOM Wrote:  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23US&amp;src=hash">#US</a> calls for 'immediate deployment of international observers' 'mediation mission' to <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RussiaInvadesUkraine&amp;src=hash">#RussiaInvadesUkraine</a> <a href="https://*.co/zJEglqFMuQ">pic.twitter.com/zJEglqFMuQ</a></p>&mdash; Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/statuses/439879176858787840">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

I watched the speeches, was disappointed they had no translator for the Russians.

All ambassadors are in the process of evacuation I've been hearing, British ambassadors have left Russia and and the Russians have left the US? That's not a good sign, but I'm struggling to believe this isn't all part of the show.

Don't worry about going to sleep anyway, if we get nuked, either you'll be dead, or I'll leave a message for you to pick up in the morning.
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RE: We got nuked, hope you're alright, I'm good besides the EMP blast. Toaster doesn't work anymore so I had honey cheerio's instead. I've ran out of weed, do you think at a time like this it's alright to knock your dealers door? There's the nuclear rain to worry about but I literally have one spliff left. I'll stick my coat on and brave it. PEACE XX
03-02-2014, 02:29 AM #208
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(03-02-2014, 01:14 AM)mcmxc Wrote:  
(03-02-2014, 12:52 AM)NODOOM Wrote:  <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23US&amp;src=hash">#US</a> calls for 'immediate deployment of international observers' 'mediation mission' to <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RussiaInvadesUkraine&amp;src=hash">#RussiaInvadesUkraine</a> <a href="https://*.co/zJEglqFMuQ">pic.twitter.com/zJEglqFMuQ</a></p>&mdash; Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/statuses/439879176858787840">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

I watched the speeches, was disappointed they had no translator for the Russians.

All ambassadors are in the process of evacuation I've been hearing, British ambassadors have left Russia and and the Russians have left the US? That's not a good sign, but I'm struggling to believe this isn't all part of the show.

Don't worry about going to sleep anyway, if we get nuked, either you'll be dead, or I'll leave a message for you to pick up in the morning.
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RE: We got nuked, hope you're alright, I'm good besides the EMP blast. Toaster doesn't work anymore so I had honey cheerio's instead. I've ran out of weed, do you think at a time like this it's alright to knock your dealers door? There's the nuclear rain to worry about but I literally have one spliff left. I'll stick my coat on and brave it. PEACE XX

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03-02-2014, 02:30 AM #209
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Ukraine&amp;src=hash">#Ukraine</a> is abt the eastward expansion of Capitalism. The cat's out of the bag. GB, EU and US are just barking <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RussiaInvadesUkraine&amp;src=hash">#RussiaInvadesUkraine</a></p>&mdash; Talwar Kaur (@Talwar_Punjabi) <a href="https://twitter.com/Talwar_Punjabi/statuses/439896214868606976">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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03-02-2014, 02:38 AM #210
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Mufti of <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Russia&amp;src=hash">#Russia</a>'s <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Tatarstan&amp;src=hash">#Tatarstan</a> headed for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Crimea&amp;src=hash">#Crimea</a> to support fellow <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Muslims&amp;src=hash">#Muslims</a>/<a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CrimeanTatars&amp;src=hash">#CrimeanTatars</a> <a href="https://t.co/94Yjt4RSi1">pic.twitter.com/94Yjt4RSi1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23RussiaInvadesUkraine&amp;src=hash">#RussiaInvadesUkraine</a></p>&mdash; Ukrainian Updates (@Ukroblogger) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ukroblogger/statuses/439907167580479488">March 1, 2014</a></blockquote>

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