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01-03-2014, 08:07 AM #16
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
The existence of vacuum energy is also sometimes used as theoretical justification for the possibility of free-energy machines. It has been argued that due to the broken symmetry (in QED), free energy does not violate conservation of energy, since the laws of thermodynamics only apply to equilibrium systems. However, consensus amongst physicists is that this is incorrect and that vacuum energy cannot be harnessed to generate free energy.[5][not in citation given] In particular, the second law of thermodynamics is unaffected by the existence of vacuum energy.[citation needed] However, in Stochastic Electrodynamics, the energy density is taken to be a classical random noise wave field which consists of real electromagnetic noise waves propagating isotropically in all directions. The energy in such a wave field would seem to be accessible, e.g., with nothing more complicated than a directional coupler. The most obvious difficulty appears to be the spectral distribution of the energy, which compatibility with Lorentz invariance requires to take the form Kf3, where K is a constant and f denotes frequency.[6][7] It follows that the energy and momentum flux in this wave field only becomes significant at extremely short wavelengths where directional coupler technology is currently lacking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_energy

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01-03-2014, 08:16 AM #17
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Spontaneous symmetry breaking[1][2][3] is a mode of realization of symmetry breaking in a physical system, where the underlying laws are invariant under a symmetry transformation, but the system as a whole changes under such transformations, in contrast to explicit symmetry breaking. It is a spontaneous process by which a system in a symmetrical state ends up in an asymmetrical state. It thus describes systems where the equations of motion or the Lagrangian obey certain symmetries, but the lowest energy solutions do not exhibit that symmetry.

Consider the bottom of an empty wine bottle, a symmetrical upward dome with a trough for sediment. If a ball is put in a particular position at the peak of the dome, the circumstances are symmetrical with respect to rotating the wine bottle. But the ball may spontaneously break this symmetry and move into the trough, a point of lowest energy. The bottle and the ball continue to have symmetry, but the system does not.[4]

Most simple phases of matter and phase-transitions, like crystals, magnets, and conventional superconductors can be simply understood from the viewpoint of spontaneous symmetry breaking. Notable exceptions include topological phases of matter like the fractional quantum Hall effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous...y_breaking

magnets are magic...

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01-03-2014, 08:25 AM #18
Wayne5 Member
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Cool!

I read this site once about how they usta get power for old radios. They used car batteries. And they would use a model T coil and a 100' wire antenna. they hooked the antenna and a ground to the high voltage side and the battery to the 12V side and the battery would fully charge in three days. Another was they charged batteries was to use a lot of thermocouples, like they used to measure temperature, in series over a kerosine lantern. You got light and a battery charge at the same time. I've never tried it.There is so much lost knowledge.

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01-03-2014, 09:19 AM #19
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
In theoretical physics, the Hartle–Hawking state, named after James Hartle and Stephen Hawking, is a proposal concerning the state of the universe prior to the Planck epoch. Hartle–Hawking is essentially a no-boundary proposal that the universe is infinitely finite: that there was no time before the Big Bang because time did not exist before the formation of spacetime associated with the Big Bang and subsequent expansion of the universe in space and time.

Hartle and Hawking suggest that if we could travel backward in time toward the beginning of the universe, we would note that quite near what might have otherwise been the beginning, time gives way to space such that at first there is only space and no time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartle%E2%8...tial_state

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01-03-2014, 09:26 AM #20
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Wayne5,

I was going to say,,,you need a diode,,,

this shows it better,,,

http://www.pssurvival.com/PS/Batteries/C...r_2006.pdf

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01-04-2014, 01:18 AM #21
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Wayne5,

So,,,does the battery charger work???...

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01-04-2014, 01:49 AM #22
Wayne5 Member
Posts:660 Threads:61 Joined:Nov 2013
(01-04-2014, 01:18 AM)Softy Wrote:  Hi Wayne5,

So,,,does the battery charger work???...

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I think you would have to fiddle with it. I'm skeptical that the diode is necessary and it may stop the circuit from working all together. Rectification may be inherent in the air ground part of the circuit. Having a cap and a spark gap is interesting, if it works it would make it possible to adjust the charge pulse by adjusting the air gap. Its about 50,000 volts/inch for static discharge. You could tune it so you don't go over the rated voltage on the cap as well.

Good find
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01-04-2014, 03:28 AM #23
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(01-04-2014, 01:49 AM)Wayne5 Wrote:  
(01-04-2014, 01:18 AM)Softy Wrote:  Hi Wayne5,

So,,,does the battery charger work???...

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I think you would have to fiddle with it. I'm skeptical that the diode is necessary and it may stop the circuit from working all together. Rectification may be inherent in the air ground part of the circuit. Having a cap and a spark gap is interesting, if it works it would make it possible to adjust the charge pulse by adjusting the air gap. Its about 50,000 volts/inch for static discharge. You could tune it so you don't go over the rated voltage on the cap as well.

Good find
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I was curious if you had found anyone who for sure had built this

and how well it worked,,,certainly gathers up free electrons,,,static,,,

and sends it down the wire,,,found a thing where they hooked up NE-2 neon

bulbs and got them to flash,,,and the diode is necessary,,,no doubt

about that one,,,guy is right,,,not for rectification,,,as the polarities work,,,

but as a blocking diode,,,or else the primary coil on the ignition coil

will in effect drain the battery,,,just like with the points closed when actually

used as an ignition coil,,,so am amp or so,,,not a good plan,,,and not only

need a diode,,,but would be best with low reverse leakage specification,,,

so blocking diode,,,more than rectification,,,interesting if this can really

charge a car battery in 2 or 3 days,,,better than solar panels,,,much more

tougher for hail storms and such,,,and supposedly works at night and bad

weather,,,including storms,,,lightning might be a concern...

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01-04-2014, 05:58 AM #24
Wayne5 Member
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Sorry I got called away. So will it work. Well you got to buy into the idea that a guy in the 1930-40 range did it and it worked for him. He didn't have silicone or even geranium diodes available. Geranium crystals could be had from a hardware store used as detectors for home made radios. If he used a diode it had to be selenium.

Here is an article about replacing selenium diodes with silicone.

http://w3hwj.com/index_files/RBSelenium2.pdf

When used in 120 Vrms rectifier circuits, the
selenium unit had a drop or loss of only about
5 to 10 volts while the tube rectifier drop was
10 to 25 volts. This lower drop meant that DC
voltages were higher when selenium replaced
a tube.

As you can see the drop is poor. The voltage drop for a silicone diode is .6V and its variable depending on temperature.

If I were going to use diodes for rectification and as you say "blocking" I would use modern geranium diodes hooked up in a full wave bridge. This would give you around .2V of drop and take advantage of the full wave for charging. You would have to look at the wave to know what to do.

But the 1930's guy didn't have any component even close to this. If he did it and it worked He had to use some trick.

Now we know he had high voltage caps from the cars. He might have used a cap in place of the diode. This would take care of the "blocking" problem and it is possible that the negative half of the wave would have little effect on the battery or the electrolytic property of the cap might act as a diode.

Your article calls out a 200ft antenna. I think this is excessive and on the french of being dangerous. Long wire antennas can kill you deader than dammit. And our 1930 guy would be doing this project because hes poor and he doesn't have electricity, so I think he would have a 100ft antenna. My father built a radio as a kid from a geranium crystal and wire he had pilfered from a demolition site. He said he could only get one station. Some Doctor advertising goat glands located in Mexico. chuckle.gif

This is why I say you would have to fiddle with it. One of our problems in engineering and other sciences is our knowledge of the impossible. People with little knowledge do the impossible quite often because they don't know any better and because it works.
Another problem is that knowledge is lost. It never gets written down. It is passed on word of mouth and when new processes become available the old process disappears.

Another part of the design I see is the spark gap. cap, coil is hooked up kinda like a tuned circuit. This means it resonates at some frequency and doesn't at other frequencies. We need a graphic of the back ground noise of the spectrum to see what frequencies are "hot". If this design is intended for survivalist we have to eliminate the microwave range of cell phones and other communications because they may be missing when this unit would be called to action.

We should think on it. And use this thread to bat it around a while.

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01-04-2014, 07:25 AM #25
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Wayne5,

I have done so much,,,

with so little,,,

for so long,,,

I am now ready,,,

to do the impossible,,,

with absolutely nothing at all,,,

Well now,,,easier to ridicule,,,than to investigate,,,

and far less profitable,,,so,,,I investigated,,,

and found a bunch of Ham radio guys who investigated this,,,

boy did they really mess up the calculations and everything,,,

just don't make them like they used to,,,

but did find out one thing,,,120 foot antenna arcing 120 times

per minute,,,6,000 volts at 275 nanoamps,,,

there is a product sold which does this deal,,,

used to charge AA nicads,,,now,,,forget the diodes,,,whatever,,,

I wanted to see if the power was even there,,,

so,,,lets be generous,,,60,000 volts at 1 microamp continuous,,,

the ignition coil acts as a step down transformer,,,

so stepping down the voltage from 60,000 to 12 volts,,,

means an increase in current of a factor of 5,000,,,

5,000 times 1 microamp,,,is 5 millamps at 12 volts,,,

a 200 millamphour nicad will take 40 hours to charge fully,,,

so,,,this device is very similar to Tesla's approach,,,

his was much bigger,,,and is not in use today,,,

for a reason,,,and the reason is that it produces,,,

not enough power,,,so answers the question why there is not

one of these in every back yard,,,and why in 1930 magic

occured,,,I don't know...


Electricity is magic...

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01-04-2014, 07:46 AM #26
Wayne5 Member
Posts:660 Threads:61 Joined:Nov 2013
That's super! Did they have a link?

I'm glad we found an answer. It was an urban legend.

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01-04-2014, 08:22 AM #27
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
http://www.eham.net/articles/9272

read the comments,,,

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01-04-2014, 09:14 AM #28
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(01-04-2014, 07:46 AM)Wayne5 Wrote:  That's super! Did they have a link?

I'm glad we found an answer. It was an urban legend.

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Yeah,,,we found an answer,,,

we are smart,,,aren't we???,,,

you know Billy Gates???...

and the forward voltage drop on silicon diodes is also

dependent on the current through them,,,

or so the story goes...

diodes are magic...

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01-04-2014, 11:32 AM #29
Wayne5 Member
Posts:660 Threads:61 Joined:Nov 2013
Cats are analog.

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we are smart,,,aren't we???,,,
We are smart enough, Neo. chuckle.gif
01-04-2014, 06:41 PM #30
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
And as far as receiving RF energy as an energy source,,,

remember the signals at the antenna are in millivolts,,,

and microvolts,,,so probably why that isn't being done,,,

best bet is to run a line near power transmission lines,,,

and get the radiated power off those lines,,,

that one does work...

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