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Sarin Nerve Agent...
JollyRoger Show this Post
12-25-2012, 09:29 AM #1
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... Being used on Syrian Rebels...

This could bring nuclear retaliation.

JollyRoger Show this Post
12-25-2012, 09:33 AM #2
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12-25-2012, 09:35 AM #3
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This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.
JollyRoger Show this Post
12-25-2012, 09:46 AM #4
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(12-25-2012, 09:35 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.


Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.
12-25-2012, 09:55 AM #5
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(12-25-2012, 09:46 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:35 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.


Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.


Very hard to kill more than a couple of thousand with nerve agent. A 155 mm shell at worst will kill a couple of hundred.

Tacticals can kill a few thousand to a few tens of thousands with a single shell and are much efficient. But nobody with nukes is interested. Now - US/Israel/NATO might drop a couple of GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Burst (MOAB) or Massive Ordnance Penetrators (MOP) GBU-57A/B. This is kind of equivalent to a pitcher brushing back a batter.
JollyRoger Show this Post
12-25-2012, 10:02 AM #6
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(12-25-2012, 09:55 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:46 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:35 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.


Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.


Very hard to kill more than a couple of thousand with nerve agent. A 155 mm shell at worst will kill a couple of hundred.

Tacticals can kill a few thousand to a few tens of thousands with a single shell and are much efficient. But nobody with nukes is interested. Now - they might drop a couple of MOAB (the BLU series weapons) or Massive Ordnance Penetrators (MOP) GBU-57A/B. This is kind of equivalent to a pitcher brushing back a batter.



How many will a couple hundred 155mm shells kill?

12-25-2012, 10:24 AM #7
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(12-25-2012, 10:02 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:55 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:46 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:35 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.


Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.


Very hard to kill more than a couple of thousand with nerve agent. A 155 mm shell at worst will kill a couple of hundred.

Tacticals can kill a few thousand to a few tens of thousands with a single shell and are much efficient. But nobody with nukes is interested. Now - they might drop a couple of MOAB (the BLU series weapons) or Massive Ordnance Penetrators (MOP) GBU-57A/B. This is kind of equivalent to a pitcher brushing back a batter.



How many will a couple hundred 155mm shells kill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6O-gApVrU


You need to get 1 to 10 mL of Sarin on your skin for it to be fatal. Depends on whether the rebels have gas masks or not. They captured his primary chemical weapons facility so I would assume they have some masks (or that their backers sent them some). A 155 shell contains 2 to 5 liters of Sarin. A person is about 8 sq. ft. on one side so if you assume the shell is detonated to apply about 2 ml per every 8 square foot area with 5 liters of sarin - a shell is good for about 20000 square feet (150 ft square) or roughly 1/4 of a football field. So lets be really pessimistic and say it is lethal for 1/2 a football field.

Simple analysis says you need a sustained bombardment.
JollyRoger Show this Post
12-25-2012, 10:30 AM #8
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(12-25-2012, 10:24 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 10:02 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:55 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:46 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:35 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  This is mostly the Sarin nerve agent that Saddam didn't have. "Cough", "cough". 15.gif15.gif

Hey I'm all for the "go tactical or go home" philosophy. But "O" is a wimp and it isn't going to happen.

However there was a story about the rebels going chemical about 24 hours ago so this could be tit for tat. Or tit for tit.


Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.


Very hard to kill more than a couple of thousand with nerve agent. A 155 mm shell at worst will kill a couple of hundred.

Tacticals can kill a few thousand to a few tens of thousands with a single shell and are much efficient. But nobody with nukes is interested. Now - they might drop a couple of MOAB (the BLU series weapons) or Massive Ordnance Penetrators (MOP) GBU-57A/B. This is kind of equivalent to a pitcher brushing back a batter.



How many will a couple hundred 155mm shells kill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6O-gApVrU


You need to get 1 to 10 mL of Sarin on your skin for it to be fatal. Depends on whether the rebels have gas masks or not. They captured his primary chemical weapons facility so I would assume they have some masks (or that their backers sent them some). A 155 shell contains 2 to 5 liters of Sarin. A person is about 8 sq. ft. on one side so if you assume the shell is detonated to apply about 2 ml per every 8 square foot area with 5 liters of sarin - a shell is good for about 20000 square feet (150 ft square) or roughly 1/4 of a football field. So lets be really pessimistic and say it is lethal for 1/2 a football field.

Simple analysis says you need a sustained bombardment.


How about this configuration.... Only with nerve agent.

say.... 1 - 200 sorties?


12-25-2012, 10:57 AM #9
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(12-25-2012, 10:30 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 10:24 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 10:02 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:55 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-25-2012, 09:46 AM)JollyRoger Wrote:  Once the chemicals and biological stuff comes out, all bets are off. Assad intends on making this much bigger.

This is very bad. THIS is something to watch. This could go hot very quickly.


Very hard to kill more than a couple of thousand with nerve agent. A 155 mm shell at worst will kill a couple of hundred.

Tacticals can kill a few thousand to a few tens of thousands with a single shell and are much efficient. But nobody with nukes is interested. Now - they might drop a couple of MOAB (the BLU series weapons) or Massive Ordnance Penetrators (MOP) GBU-57A/B. This is kind of equivalent to a pitcher brushing back a batter.



How many will a couple hundred 155mm shells kill?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-6O-gApVrU


You need to get 1 to 10 mL of Sarin on your skin for it to be fatal. Depends on whether the rebels have gas masks or not. They captured his primary chemical weapons facility so I would assume they have some masks (or that their backers sent them some). A 155 shell contains 2 to 5 liters of Sarin. A person is about 8 sq. ft. on one side so if you assume the shell is detonated to apply about 2 ml per every 8 square foot area with 5 liters of sarin - a shell is good for about 20000 square feet (150 ft square) or roughly 1/4 of a football field. So lets be really pessimistic and say it is lethal for 1/2 a football field.

Simple analysis says you need a sustained bombardment.


How about this configuration.... Only with nerve agent.

say.... 1 - 200 sorties?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGwMYEDDRTc


Hard to say. Syria has about 300 Fighter/Attack aircraft and about 60 attack helicopters (MI-24 Hinds). Most of the aircraft aren't the ground attack version and the condition of the aircraft due to the poverty of Syria is questionable. So realistically there are about 100 attack aircraft and 40 helicopters. The rebels are awash in SA-7s - some from the Palestinians and some bought from the Syrian Army (yes the rebels are buying weapons from the army), with an occasional SA-14. The availability of MANPADs makes the Hinds more or less useless.

This means that all the bombing is high level, low precision. Syrians have cluster bombs but adapting the cluster technology for Sarin is a non-trivial exercise.

The shell and bomb versions are binary and transit mixed (like concrete).



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