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Schaudenfreude: Is it in our nature?
03-13-2013, 05:27 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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This interesting study was in the news today. I'm trying to ascertain if this is natural human behaviour, considering the babies as young as 9 months old unanimously sided with the puppet displaying the mean traits against the other puppets who appear to be different, or chose differently than the babies.[/quote]

Quote:Hamlin said the findings suggest that babies feel something like schaudenfreude, a German term describing the pleasure experienced when someone you dislike or consider threatening experiences harm.

Read more: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/babies-have-a-mean-...z2NQdxIJu5

Why are children cruel?

Some of the very common things that kids are cruel about, to each other at school for example, might be differences in others. [/quote]


Quote:A New York Times article in 2002 cited a number of scientific studies of schadenfreude, which it defined as, "delighting in others' misfortune." Many such studies are based on social comparison theory, the idea that when people around us have bad luck, we look better to ourselves. Other researchers have found that people with low self-esteem are more likely to feel schadenfreude than are people who have high self-esteem.[27]

Quote:A 2009 study indicates that the hormone oxytocin may be involved in the feeling of schadenfreude.[32] In that study, it was reported that when participants in a game of chance were pitted against a player they considered arrogant, inhaling oxytocin through the nose enhanced their feelings of schadenfreude when their opponent lost as well as their feelings of envy when their opponent won.


Previous link references bullying:

Quote:Often bullying takes place in the presence of a large group of relatively uninvolved bystanders. In many cases, it is the bully's ability to create the illusion that he or she has the support of the majority present that instills the fear of "speaking out" in protestation of the bullying activities being observed by the group. Unless the "bully mentality" is effectively challenged in any given group in its early stages, it often becomes an accepted, or supported, norm within the group.[35] [36]


Teen-aged bullying:

"Boys are more task-oriented," said Brigham Young University researcher Clyde Robinson, who has conducted studies with Brigham Young's Craig Hart and David Nelson to learn why some girls are mean early in life.

"Give 'em a task, and if they're gonna be mean or attack somebody, they'll get on to that task," Robinson said of boys. "The girls, they're going after the emotional jugular."


03-13-2013, 06:27 PM #2
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Great post US! This speaks to our basic makeup prior to indoctrination. damned.gif Not sure if I'm better off in denial about all this or what.

03-13-2013, 07:05 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Exactly. Let's pretend this thread never happened, shall we?



03-13-2013, 07:15 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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Interesting question. Made me think of a video I saw the other day I'll try to find.

But intuitively I'd like to say no. At least not classify it as schadenfreude, maybe a sense of right and wrong and to find it amusing when someone gets what they have coming. I have to read those links and think about this.
03-13-2013, 07:16 PM #5
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I'm pretty sure Schaudenfreude isn't in my nature.

I can't spell it or pronounce it and that means it ain't natural.

There is nothing wrong with the concept. I believe it is common in nature that an odd one is attacked or shunned, but can't find any scholarship on the issue.

I like consistency so it seems like a good idea.
03-13-2013, 07:47 PM #6
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(03-13-2013, 07:16 PM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  I'm pretty sure Schaudenfreude isn't in my nature.

I can't spell it or pronounce it and that means it ain't natural.

There is nothing wrong with the concept. I believe it is common in nature that an odd one is attacked or shunned, but can't find any scholarship on the issue.

I like consistency so it seems like a good idea.

Well, it seems his mother still cares and is feeding him, but maternalistic behaviour is another thread.

I rather like to naievely believe we humans some how rise above the shunning/attacking instinctive(?) behaviour because others appear or act different. Some can, some can't...hmmm, I wonder if this has something to do with brain function (varying chemical releases).

Yes...social neuroscience; a new science in its infancy.

"Several evolutionary mechanisms have been proposed to explain empathy and altruism. These include kin selection, reciprocity, and group selection.; Aall of these are based on the idea that the altruistic individual will later receive benefits for altruistic actions. Additionally, several hormones and /neurotransmitters have been implicated in altruism and empathy. Oxytocin promotes affiliative behaviors, such as parental care and bonding, trust, empathy, the ability to infer the mental states of others, and reciprocity/generosity. Intranasal oxytocin administration increases generosity, while feelings of empathy are associated with a 47 percent% plasma oxytocin increase. Low oxytocin levels correlate strongly with a history of violence and suicide attempts. Other hormones/neurotransmitters have also been implicated in altruism/empathy, for example dopamine and serotonin activities enhance pro-social behaviors (generosity, altruism, and even moral behavior) and appear to alter and often increase oxytocin activity, while testosterone decreases generosity and genetic variations of its receptor are associated with criminal behavior.

While these theories and observations concerning hormone activities have some value in explaining the possible evolutionary and neurophysiological mechanisms underlying altruism/empathy, they do not explain its molecular-genetic basis or how the behaviors might be inherited. Recently molecular biology techniques have been used to analyze the neuromolecular factors that account for individual differences in social behavior. This new research area, termed “Social Neuroscience,”, has been applied to the analysis of altruism/empathy and gives insights into the well-known differences in individual propensity for these behaviors. Interestingly, many relatively large differences in altruistic and empathetic behaviors have been identified which come from one single base-pair difference in a gene sequence (called “single nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs)."




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