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Scientists claim Turin Shroud is REAL
02-12-2014, 11:50 PM #16
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Heller and Adler further studied the dark red stains and identified hemoglobin, as well as the presence of porphyrin, bilirubin, albumin, and protein.[95] Working independently, forensic pathologist Pier Luigi Baima Bollone concurred with Heller and Adler's findings and identified the blood as the AB blood group.[96] Subsequently, STURP sent flecks from the shroud to the laboratory devoted to the study of ancient blood at the State University of New York (SUNY), Binghamton. Dr. Andrew Merriwether at SUNY stated that it is almost certain that the flecks are blood, but that no definitive statements can be made about its nature or provenance, i.e., whether it is male or from the Near East. He also stated that no blood typing could be confirmed, as the DNA was badly fragmented.

In 1950 physician Pierre Barbet wrote a long study called A Doctor at Calvary which was later published as a book.[110] Barbet stated that his experience as a battlefield surgeon during World War I led him to conclude that the image on the shroud was authentic, anatomically correct and consistent with crucifixion.

In 1997 physician and forensic pathologist Robert Bucklin constructed a scenario of how a systematic autopsy on the man of the shroud would have been conducted. He noted the series of traumatic injuries which extend from the shoulder areas to the lower portion of the back, which he considered consistent with whipping; and marks on the right shoulder blade which he concluded were signs of carrying a heavy object. Bucklin concluded that the image was of a real person, subject to crucifixion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

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02-13-2014, 12:14 AM #17
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Knights Templar Hid the Shroud of Turin, Vatican Says
Published April 06, 2009
London Times

Medieval knights hid and secretly venerated The Holy Shroud of Turin for more than 100 years after the Crusades, the Vatican said Sunday in an announcement that appeared to solve the mystery of the relic’s missing years.

Barbara Frale, a researcher in the Vatican Secret Archives, said the Shroud had disappeared in the sack of Constantinople in 1204 during the Fourth Crusade, and did not surface again until the middle of the fourteenth century.

However her study of the trial of the Knights Templar had brought to light a document in which Arnaut Sabbatier, a young Frenchman who entered the order in 1287, testified that as part of his initiation he was taken to “a secret place to which only the brothers of the Temple had access."

There he was shown “a long linen cloth on which was impressed the figure of a man” and instructed to venerate the image by kissing its feet three times.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/04/06/...ican-says/

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02-13-2014, 12:19 AM #18
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Knights Templar worshipped the Turin Shroud
The medieval Knights Templar did venerate an image of a bearded man, as was alleged by their persecutors but his name was Jesus, and the idol was the Turin Shroud.

A Vatican researcher has uncovered evidence that the order, which was brutally suppressed in 1305 by King Philip IV of France and Pope Clement V, guarded and venerated the Shroud.

The shroud, a long piece of cloth bearing the image of a man's face and body, is kept in Turin is dated from at least 1357 when it was first displayed by the widow of a French knight.

A similar relic is known to have been worshipped in Byzantium, now Istanbul and to have disappeared from there during the sack of the city by Crusaders, including Knights Templar, in 1204.

Rumours about the secret initiation ceremonies of the Templar order and the allegation of idolatry, specifically the worship of images of bearded men, were crucial in 1307 when hundreds of knights were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and then burned at the stake.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...hroud.html

STURP investigation stated that of the 58 different types of pollens found, 45 were from the Jerusalem area, while 6 were from the eastern Middle East, with one pollen species growing exclusively in Constantinople, and two found in Edessa, Turkey.[

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02-13-2014, 12:41 AM #19
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Softy, I don't know if you're familiar with this but here's a linkThe Head of God

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02-13-2014, 01:06 AM #20
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-13-2014, 12:41 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Softy, I don't know if you're familiar with this but here's a linkThe Head of God

Hi JayRodney,

Yes,,,I am familiar with this,,,and did posts on it,,,

long ago on a far away forum,,,before the book,,,

in fact this is about the fourth time on the shroud,,,

this is the short hand version,,,with the newer vatican stuff...

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02-13-2014, 01:09 AM #21
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
and for the record,,,I don't really agree with the HBHG stuff,,,

the authors,,,or their stories...

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02-13-2014, 07:01 AM #22
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
On the occasion of the transfer of the cloth to Constantinople in 944, Gregory Referendarius, archdeacon of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, preached a sermon about the artifact. This sermon had been lost but was rediscovered in the Vatican Archives and translated by Mark Guscin [6] PDF (187 KB) in 2004. This sermon says that this Edessa cloth contained not only the face, but a full-length image, which was believed to be of Jesus. The sermon also mentions bloodstains from a wound in the side. Other documents have since been found in the Vatican library and the University of Leiden, Netherlands, confirming this impression. "Non tantum faciei figuram sed totius corporis figuram cernere poteris" (You can see not only the figure of a face, but [also] the figure of the whole body). (In Italian) (Cf. Codex Vossianus Latinus Q69 and Vatican Library Codex 5696, p. 35.)

İmage

The surrender of the Image of Edessa to the Byzantine parakoimomenos Theophanes by the Edessenes, from the Madrid Skylitzes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...d_of_Turin

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02-13-2014, 07:18 AM #23
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
The historical records for the Shroud of Turin can be separated into two time periods: before 1390 and from 1390 to the present. The period until 1390 is subject to debate and controversy among historians. Prior to the 14th century there are some allegedly congruent but controversial references such as the Pray Codex. It is often mentioned that the first certain historical record dates from 1353 or 1357.[1][2] However the presence of the Turin Shroud in Lirey, France, is only undoubtedly attested in 1390 when Bishop Pierre d'Arcis wrote a memorandum where he charged that the Shroud was a forgery.[3] The history from the 15th century to the present is well documented. In 1453 Margaret de Charny deeded the Shroud to the House of Savoy.

Some contend[who?] that the Lirey shroud was the work of a confessed forger and murderer.[8] However, there is no historical evidence that it was a forgery.[citation needed] On the Shroud of Turin, microscopically, there are no traces of brush strokes and it can be proven that paint could not have been used, as the Shroud image is only on the surface of the cloth, while all known paint would bleed through it. The only historical evidence linking it to a forger was a memorandum written by French bishop Pierre D'Arcis of Troyes, in which he said that the Shroud was a fake and that the painter (who was not named) had confessed to forging it. However, no evidence of a confession has been found, and no evidence on the shroud links it to a painter.[citation needed]

Professor Larissa Tracy of Virginia also argues that the shroud in Turin is a forgery, but that it was forged by Leonardo da Vinci, who was born in 1452.[9] This theory, however, is mostly illogical, as not only that the carbon 14 dating discards this theory, the shroud in Turin cathedral today has been known to have been in existence in France in the 1350s, 100 years before da Vinci was born.

The history of the shroud from the 15th century is well recorded. In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...d_of_Turin

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02-13-2014, 07:47 AM #24
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
The Gospel of John states that: "Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes [othonia] lie, and the napkin [soudarion], that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself" (John 20:6–7, KJV). The Gospels of Matthew (27:59), Mark (15:46), and Luke (23:53) all refer to a singular "sindon" (fine linen cloth) which was wrapped (entulisso) around Jesus' body. In other Greek usage the word "sindon" refers to a wrapping such as a toga (Mark 14:51-52)

The burial posture of the shroud, with hands crossed over the pelvis, was used by Essenes (2nd century BCE to the 1st century CE), but was also found in a burial site under a medieval church with skeletons which were dated pre-1390 and post Roman.

Unless it is the Shroud of Turin, then the location of the Image of Edessa since the 13th century is unknown.

Some historians suggest that the shroud was captured by the knight Otto de la Roche[31] who became Duke of Athens, but that he soon relinquished it to the Knights Templar. It was subsequently taken to France, where the first known keeper of the Turin Shroud had links both to the Templars as well the descendants of Otto. Some speculate that the shroud could have been a major part of the famed "Templar treasure" that treasure hunters still seek today.

The 14th century attribution of the origin of the shroud refers to a shroud in Lirey, France dating to 1353-1357. It is related that the widow of the French knight Geoffroi de Charny (said to be a descendant of Templar Geoffroy de Charney who was burned at the stake with Jacques de Molay) had it displayed in a church at Lirey, France (diocese of Troyes).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_...d_of_Turin

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02-13-2014, 07:50 AM #25
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
John Kourkouas (Greek: Ἰωάννης Κουρκούας, fl. circa 915–946), also transliterated as Kurkuas or Curcuas,a[›] was one of the most important generals of the Byzantine Empire.

During the 9th century, Byzantium had gradually recovered its strength and internal stability while the Caliphate had become increasingly impotent and fractured. Under Kourkouas's leadership, the Byzantine armies advanced deep into Muslim territory for the first time in almost 200 years, expanding the imperial border. The emirates of Melitene and Qaliqala were conquered, extending Byzantine control to the upper Euphrates and over western Armenia. The remaining Iberian and Armenian princes became Byzantine vassals. Kourkouas also played a role in the defeat of a major Rus' raid in 941 and recovered the Mandylion of Edessa, an important and holy relic believed to depict the face of Jesus Christ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kourkouas

STURP investigation stated that of the 58 different types of pollens found, 45 were from the Jerusalem area, while 6 were from the eastern Middle East, with one pollen species growing exclusively in Constantinople, and two found in Edessa, Turkey.

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02-13-2014, 03:42 PM #26
j browsing Member
Posts:5,158 Threads:1,098 Joined:Jul 2012
Softly you did excellent work on this thread cheers.gifwave.gif

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02-13-2014, 07:20 PM #27
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi j browsing,

Thanks for the kind words,,,lots of cut and paste,,,

that way not so much of me,,,interesting the carbon 14 testing,,,

which is an average thing,,,all the carbon of the fire,,,and yet,,,

at the time carbon 14 testing was the ultimate,,,which slowed

down any research,,,and made various stories come out,,,

lots of stories,,,lots of time,,,but still endures...

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02-13-2014, 09:07 PM #28
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:8,746 Threads:206 Joined:Feb 2011
(02-12-2014, 11:57 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  İmage

In this painting from Rennes-le-Chateau, it shows Jesus being taken to the tomb at night. However, the custom is to never touch the dead at night.
Which would indicate Jesus was in fact not dead when he was taken to the tomb.
Rennes-le-Chateau holds many Templar and Priory of Sion secrets in plain view for those that know how to look for the signs.
Interesting thread.

Now , if you look at the painting

blur your eyes a bit

and see the " Horse of God " above the men
02-13-2014, 09:32 PM #29
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:15,049 Threads:428 Joined:Jun 2012
Quote:The history of the shroud from the 15th century is well recorded. In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth.

I wonder if the marks can be reproduced exactly as mentioned above?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/0...HL20091005
02-13-2014, 11:37 PM #30
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-13-2014, 09:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:The history of the shroud from the 15th century is well recorded. In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth.

I wonder if the marks can be reproduced exactly as mentioned above?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/0...HL20091005

from the link:::

Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.

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too funny US,,,that is a good one,,,

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yeah,,,article is 2009,,,he needs to get up to date,,,and will need to

reproduce the Shroud in the new carbon dated period of 300 BC to 400 AD,,,

hey,,,maybe he can get more money,,,oh and there is no pigment on the Shroud,,,

so,,,he will need to get out his period laser or something,,,

and add the right dirt,,,and pollen,,,and right linen,,,and blood,,,and wounds,,,

if he wants to reproduce the Shroud...

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