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Scientists claim Turin Shroud is REAL
02-14-2014, 12:05 AM #31
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-13-2014, 11:37 PM)Softy Wrote:  
(02-13-2014, 09:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:The history of the shroud from the 15th century is well recorded. In 1532, the shroud suffered damage from a fire in the chapel where it was stored. A drop of molten silver from the reliquary produced a symmetrically placed mark through the layers of the folded cloth.

I wonder if the marks can be reproduced exactly as mentioned above?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/0...HL20091005

from the link:::

Garlaschelli received funding for his work by an Italian association of atheists and agnostics but said it had no effect on his results.

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too funny US,,,that is a good one,,,

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yeah,,,article is 2009,,,he needs to get up to date,,,and will need to

reproduce the Shroud in the new carbon dated period of 300 BC to 400 AD,,,

hey,,,maybe he can get more money,,,oh and there is no pigment on the Shroud,,,

so,,,he will need to get out his period laser or something,,,

and add the right dirt,,,and pollen,,,and right linen,,,and blood,,,and wounds,,,

if he wants to reproduce the Shroud...

(:X

Of course reproducing it has inherent problems, because you can't reproduce something that old. I just wondered if folding a similar cloth and dropping molten silver on it could create a symmetrical design.
02-14-2014, 12:13 AM #32
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Reproducing the shroud is impossible. Some great info from many sources. thanks Softy!

Yeah Rog, Rennes-le-Chateau has a horse of god theme.
İmage

In 1967, alleged copies of the ciphertexts were published in the book L’Or de Rennes by Gérard de Sède, and before long they were deciphered to yield the following messages (translated into English)[1]:

1) TO DAGOBERT II KING AND TO SION IS THIS TREASURE AND IT IS DEATH [or HE IS THERE DEAD]

2) SHEPHERDESS NO TEMPTATION THAT POUSSIN TENIERS HOLD THE KEY PEACE 681 BY THE CROSS AND THIS HORSE OF GOD I COMPLETE [or DESTROY] THIS DEMON GUARDIAN AT MIDDAY BLUE APPLES

İmage

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02-14-2014, 12:34 AM #33
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi US,

Well,,,OK,,,sure the burn holes can be reproduced,,,

the image however,,,is another story all together,,,

While most miraculous theories do not attempt to provide explanations, John Jackson (a member of STURP) has proposed that the image was formed by radiation methods beyond the understanding of current science, in particular via the "collapsing cloth" onto a body that was radiating energy at the moment of resurrection.[43] However, STURP member Alan Adler has stated that Jackson's theory is not generally accepted as scientific, given that it runs counter to the known laws of physics.[43]

In 1989 physicist Thomas Phillips, speculated that the Shroud image was formed by neutron radiation due to a miraculous bodily resurrection.[44]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

so this is where this earthquake thing came from,,,

trying to find the source of neutrons that may have caused this image,,,

that Thomas Phillips speculated,,,now I won't bore everybody with all the

details,,,but they really haven't figured it out,,,and it has been heavily

researched by some very serious scientists,,,and not all financed by

the Church either,,,cause like your article stated,,,they don't claim it

to be true either,,,it is quite the puzzle for sure,,,but at this point,,,

some kinda "event" took place,,,and nobody has an explanation for it,,,

it also seems to me,,,for any kinda faking or frauding,,,would have done

a little more definition,,,maybe add some color...

(:X
02-14-2014, 12:41 AM #34
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
The Shroud of Turin Research Project (often abbreviated as STURP) refers to a team of scientists which performed a set of experiments and analyses on the Shroud of Turin during the late 1970s and early 1980s. STURP issued its final report in 1981.

The origins of the group go back to the experiments of physicist John P. Jackson, thermodynamicist Eric Jumper and photographer William Mottern in 1976. Using the ideas invented in aerospace science for building three dimensional models from images of Mars, Eric Jumper built initial devices to test the photographs of the Shroud of Turin. These were the first experiments relating to the shroud performed by scientists.[1]

In March 1977, Jackson, Jumper and Mottern invited a few other scientists to join them to form a team for the analysis of the Shroud. The first meeting took place in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The group had no official sponsorship and the scientists funded their own activities. They also managed to arrange gifts and loans of technical equipment whose value was estimated at over $2 million.

Nuclear physicist Tom D'Muhala headed STURP. Apart from Jackson, Jumper and Motten the team included thermal chemist Raymond N. Rogers, and Roy London and Roger Morris, all from Los Alamos National Laboratory. Other team members included Don Lynn of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, biophysicist John Heller, photographers Vern Miller and Barrie Schwortz, optical physicist Sam Pellicori and electric power experts John D. German and Rudy Dichtl, as well as forensic pathologist Robert Bucklin. STURP included no experts on medieval art, archaeology or textiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STURP

this is STURP...

(:X
02-14-2014, 01:03 AM #35
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
"We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist. The blood stains are composed of hemoglobin and also give a positive test for serum albumin. The image is an ongoing mystery and until further chemical studies are made, perhaps by this group of scientists, or perhaps by some scientists in the future, the problem remains unsolved."

STURP ended its activities in 1981.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STURP

(:X
02-14-2014, 03:24 AM #36
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-14-2014, 12:13 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  Reproducing the shroud is impossible. Some great info from many sources. thanks Softy!

Yeah Rog, Rennes-le-Chateau has a horse of god theme.
İmage

In 1967, alleged copies of the ciphertexts were published in the book L’Or de Rennes by Gérard de Sède, and before long they were deciphered to yield the following messages (translated into English)[1]:

1) TO DAGOBERT II KING AND TO SION IS THIS TREASURE AND IT IS DEATH [or HE IS THERE DEAD]

2) SHEPHERDESS NO TEMPTATION THAT POUSSIN TENIERS HOLD THE KEY PEACE 681 BY THE CROSS AND THIS HORSE OF GOD I COMPLETE [or DESTROY] THIS DEMON GUARDIAN AT MIDDAY BLUE APPLES

İmage

Hi JayRodney,

Interesting,,,always wondered about that thing,,,

Head of God is/was buried around there as well,,,

if I remember correctly,,,Horse of God,,,

wow,,,anyway,,,answered K's question,,,

that's enough serious cat...

(:X
02-14-2014, 03:32 AM #37
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
We found this "Horse of God", during a hike in the region of Rennes-le-Château..! It is a weird rock formation on the steep slope of a stony hill.
And as we gradually found out, this "Horse of GOD was the most important "KEY" in our solution of the mystery of Rennes-le-Château.

İmage

http://www.the-lost-grail-of-rennes-le-c.../horse.htm

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