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Sierra Club's Intended Protest
01-31-2013, 06:07 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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The keystone pipeline will most likely (from past history of Gateway leaks) be an environmental nightmare down the line, so this protest hopefully will bring to light some of the worries and hopefully remedial measures required.

Quote:"For civil disobedience to be justified, something must be so wrong that it compels the strongest defensible protest," he wrote. "Such a protest, if rendered thoughtfully and peacefully, is in fact a profound act of patriotism."

and

Quote:British Columbia is attacking Enbridge Inc. for its failure to detect most recent leaks on its U.S. pipelines, raising questions about the company’s ability to spot oil spills in remote stretches of its proposed $6-billion Northern Gateway project.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...l-pipeline

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-inv...le4601759/

I hope they can get Sierra Club Canada on board too to protest the Gateway pipeline because we here in Canada have a lot of pristine wilderness that this pipeline will be going through.
01-31-2013, 06:14 PM #2
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People's vigilance and actions can go a long way in these matters. Corporations sure don't care and government agencies sit in the pockets of those for the most part.
01-31-2013, 06:33 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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As usual here in Canada, environmental issues are pushed to the rear. sad2.gif
01-31-2013, 07:23 PM #4
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It would be a much needed shot in the arm to bolster a lackluster economy, creating thousands of jobs.
Certainly environmental issues come into play here, and of course I'm concerned for the same obvious reasons, but there is a severe lack of jobs at the moment as well. How's the govt supposed to spend endlessly without creating jobs which create tax dollars?
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01-31-2013, 07:35 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I agree we both need the jobs, but why aren't they working on strategies to handle leaks with the least amount of damage to the environment. If they could find and implement solutions in this area there wouldn't be so much worry from the environmentalists.
01-31-2013, 08:10 PM #6
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I agree 100%. I'm all about helping the economy while minimizing risk to the environment. This mitigate after the fact BS doesn't cut it, but neither does lack of employment.
A happy medium could be reached with careful planning.

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01-31-2013, 08:22 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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In 2011 Enbridge doubled their profits, but they seem to be having problems with attracting investors/customers last year to now.

Now back in the U.S. re: protesting Keystone:

Quote:The Green Party of the United States is urging party members and all Americans to organize and join various protests against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in the coming weeks, including a major demonstration in Washington, DC, on February 17.

and another pipeline in the works:

Quote:Another proposed pipeline, Enbridge's "Trailbreaker," would carry Canadian tar-sands oil to the coast of Maine, which the Green Party also opposes. (See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/eshope...ds_to.html).

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=583

These protests should prove to be significant because it involves destruction of the environment, tainting people's drinking water,[/quote] as well as adding to climate change.
01-31-2013, 11:41 PM #8
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Positive change. Nobody needs petrol in their wells.

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02-01-2013, 03:01 AM #9
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(01-31-2013, 08:22 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In 2011 Enbridge doubled their profits, but they seem to be having problems with attracting investors/customers last year to now.

Now back in the U.S. re: protesting Keystone:

Quote:The Green Party of the United States is urging party members and all Americans to organize and join various protests against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in the coming weeks, including a major demonstration in Washington, DC, on February 17.

and another pipeline in the works:

Quote:Another proposed pipeline, Enbridge's "Trailbreaker," would carry Canadian tar-sands oil to the coast of Maine, which the Green Party also opposes. (See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/eshope...ds_to.html).

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=583

These protests should prove to be significant because it involves destruction of the environment, tainting people's drinking water, as well as adding to climate change.


Well, don't know what to do with this.

The US needs the energy. It is going to US or China. China is locking up oil reserves at a pace that would alarm a non environmentalist.

The US needs jobs, jobs need cheap energy. The environmentalists really need to understand this or shortly they will get kicked off the road completely and not just to the curb.

Now if the Keystone pipeline does not go through the US will have to exploit internal resources - accelerating drilling in the US is guaranteed to generate more pollution than a pipeline from Canadia.

People who believe blocking the Keystone pipeline will stop the mining of the tar sands are sadly mistaken. A pipeline will be built south, west, or east. Which pipeline is built determines who gets the oil.

It would be nice to spend the money wasted on protest, instead working with the Keystone pipeline people to put a safe well implemented pipeline in place.
02-01-2013, 03:13 AM #10
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-01-2013, 03:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(01-31-2013, 08:22 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In 2011 Enbridge doubled their profits, but they seem to be having problems with attracting investors/customers last year to now.

Now back in the U.S. re: protesting Keystone:

Quote:The Green Party of the United States is urging party members and all Americans to organize and join various protests against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in the coming weeks, including a major demonstration in Washington, DC, on February 17.

and another pipeline in the works:

Quote:Another proposed pipeline, Enbridge's "Trailbreaker," would carry Canadian tar-sands oil to the coast of Maine, which the Green Party also opposes. (See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/eshope...ds_to.html).

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=583

These protests should prove to be significant because it involves destruction of the environment, tainting people's drinking water, as well as adding to climate change.


Well, don't know what to do with this.

The US needs the energy. It is going to US or China. China is locking up oil reserves at a pace that would alarm a non environmentalist.

The US needs jobs, jobs need cheap energy. The environmentalists really need to understand this or shortly they will get kicked off the road completely and not just to the curb.

Now if the Keystone pipeline does not go through the US will have to exploit internal resources - accelerating drilling in the US is guaranteed to generate more pollution than a pipeline from Canadia.

People who believe blocking the Keystone pipeline will stop the mining of the tar sands are sadly mistaken. A pipeline will be built south, west, or east. Which pipeline is built determines who gets the oil.

It would be nice to spend the money wasted on protest, instead working with the Keystone pipeline people to put a safe well implemented pipeline in place.


I was perusing Enbridge's website, reading their intention to be transparent, environmentally responsible...blah blah blah...there appears to me to be absolutely no movement towards a strategy for protecting the environment.

But, I agree with you, in that, I don't know what to do with this either.
02-01-2013, 03:48 AM #11
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(02-01-2013, 03:13 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(02-01-2013, 03:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(01-31-2013, 08:22 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In 2011 Enbridge doubled their profits, but they seem to be having problems with attracting investors/customers last year to now.

Now back in the U.S. re: protesting Keystone:

Quote:The Green Party of the United States is urging party members and all Americans to organize and join various protests against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in the coming weeks, including a major demonstration in Washington, DC, on February 17.

and another pipeline in the works:

Quote:Another proposed pipeline, Enbridge's "Trailbreaker," would carry Canadian tar-sands oil to the coast of Maine, which the Green Party also opposes. (See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/eshope...ds_to.html).

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=583

These protests should prove to be significant because it involves destruction of the environment, tainting people's drinking water, as well as adding to climate change.


Well, don't know what to do with this.

The US needs the energy. It is going to US or China. China is locking up oil reserves at a pace that would alarm a non environmentalist.

The US needs jobs, jobs need cheap energy. The environmentalists really need to understand this or shortly they will get kicked off the road completely and not just to the curb.

Now if the Keystone pipeline does not go through the US will have to exploit internal resources - accelerating drilling in the US is guaranteed to generate more pollution than a pipeline from Canadia.

People who believe blocking the Keystone pipeline will stop the mining of the tar sands are sadly mistaken. A pipeline will be built south, west, or east. Which pipeline is built determines who gets the oil.

It would be nice to spend the money wasted on protest, instead working with the Keystone pipeline people to put a safe well implemented pipeline in place.


I was perusing Enbridge's website, reading their intention to be transparent, environmentally responsible...blah blah blah...there appears to me to be absolutely no movement towards a strategy for protecting the environment.

But, I agree with you, in that, I don't know what to do with this either.


Most people who own a house have had work done. If you have you know there are two kinds of workers:
1. Some put down paper and wipe their shoes and leave your house as clean as it was originally.
2. Some leave a muddy snail trail everywhere they go.
In Pavilion, Wy. there are some areas that were drilled by type #2 Frackers. The surface waste pools from the Fracking leaked into the water table and put about 1 ppt (part per thousand) of benzene into the water table. The water smells and tastes like gasoline.

What does this have to do with the Keystone Pipeline? We want the Keystone pipeline to follow the model of the careful home repairmen. We need to sit them and carefully explain to the pipeline execs. what is expected. That we don't want major leaks, that we don't want more contaminated water. If they don't seem to get it, there is a way to make the point a little clearer.

We can take the Pipeline execs to Pavilion and make them drink half gallon of the local water. After that carefully explain to them that if there is a major incident with the pipeline and contamination of an aquifer, they will be flown to the site of the leak, and they will be drinking more water.
02-01-2013, 03:55 AM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-01-2013, 03:48 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(02-01-2013, 03:13 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(02-01-2013, 03:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(01-31-2013, 08:22 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  In 2011 Enbridge doubled their profits, but they seem to be having problems with attracting investors/customers last year to now.

Now back in the U.S. re: protesting Keystone:

Quote:The Green Party of the United States is urging party members and all Americans to organize and join various protests against the proposed Keystone XL pipeline in the coming weeks, including a major demonstration in Washington, DC, on February 17.

and another pipeline in the works:

Quote:Another proposed pipeline, Enbridge's "Trailbreaker," would carry Canadian tar-sands oil to the coast of Maine, which the Green Party also opposes. (See http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/eshope...ds_to.html).

http://www.gp.org/press/pr-national.php?ID=583

These protests should prove to be significant because it involves destruction of the environment, tainting people's drinking water, as well as adding to climate change.


Well, don't know what to do with this.

The US needs the energy. It is going to US or China. China is locking up oil reserves at a pace that would alarm a non environmentalist.

The US needs jobs, jobs need cheap energy. The environmentalists really need to understand this or shortly they will get kicked off the road completely and not just to the curb.

Now if the Keystone pipeline does not go through the US will have to exploit internal resources - accelerating drilling in the US is guaranteed to generate more pollution than a pipeline from Canadia.

People who believe blocking the Keystone pipeline will stop the mining of the tar sands are sadly mistaken. A pipeline will be built south, west, or east. Which pipeline is built determines who gets the oil.

It would be nice to spend the money wasted on protest, instead working with the Keystone pipeline people to put a safe well implemented pipeline in place.


I was perusing Enbridge's website, reading their intention to be transparent, environmentally responsible...blah blah blah...there appears to me to be absolutely no movement towards a strategy for protecting the environment.

But, I agree with you, in that, I don't know what to do with this either.


Most people who own a house have had work done. If you have you know there are two kinds of workers.

Some put down paper and wipe their shoes and leave your house as clean as it was originally.

Some leave a muddy snail trail everywhere they go.

In the Pavilion area some of the Frackers were in group 2.

The solution is to carefully explain to the pipeline execs. what is expected.

What might be even more useful is to take them to Pavilion and make them drink a half gallon of the local water that has about 1 ppt of benzene.

After that carefully explain to them that if there is a major incident with the pipeline they will be drinking more water.
'

Who will be drinking what water?

02-01-2013, 04:15 AM #13
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Fixed the previous post to be clearer.
02-01-2013, 04:24 AM #14
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-01-2013, 04:15 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  Fixed the previous post to be clearer.


I'm not rereading it. wtf2.gif
02-01-2013, 04:28 AM #15
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(02-01-2013, 04:24 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(02-01-2013, 04:15 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  Fixed the previous post to be clearer.


I'm not rereading it. wtf2.gif


I'm not reposting it. So there.bleh.gif



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