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Sperm count dropping drastically. What's causing this?
12-06-2012, 02:52 AM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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Quote: A comprehensive study into the reproductive health of 26,600 men found sperm concentration has decreased by a third since the 1990s.

The findings are so significant experts have warned action must now be taken to avoid significant fertility problems and the average family size decreasing.

The study, which was carried out in France, found there had been a ''significant and continuous'' 32.2 per cent decrease in sperm concentration over 17 years.

Numbers of sperm per millilitre of semen fell at about two per cent a year between 1989 and 2005, with researchers calculating the average 35-year-old man would see his sperm count reduced from around 73.6 million per millilitre of semen to 49.9 million.

At the same time, the proportion of normally formed sperm declined by about a third.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/health...-drop.html

Now, they're not sure what's causing this, but the scientific consensus seems to be:

Quote:Something in our modern lifestyle, diet or environment is causing this and it is getting progressively worse. We still do not know which are the most important factors but the most likely are … a high-fat diet and environmental chemical exposures."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...82449.html

Sounds plausible, but Swedish news went into some very interesting details:

According to Swedish National News svt.se , a similar study was conducted in 2000 in Sweden where no decline in sperm count was detected.

This is getting more interesting, the Swedish study was done in southern Sweden (Scania)
This is especially interesting considering how close the Southern part of Sweden is to Denmark.

Quote:The Sound (Danish Øresund, Danish pronunciation: [ˈøːɐsɔnˀ], or Swedish Öresund, pronounced [œrəˈsɵnd]), locally known as Sundet, is the strait that separates the Danish island Zealand from the southern Swedish province of Scania. Its width is just 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) at the narrowest point between Kronborg Castle at Elsinore (Helsingør in Danish) in Denmark, and the northern harbour of Helsingborg in Scania, Sweden. The strait has also lent its name to the Øresund Region of 3.8 million inhabitants on both the Danish and Swedish sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund

google maps sat pic

In fact, historically speaking, Finland has been a part of the Swedish kingdom longer than Skåne, which belonged to the Danes up till 1658. So there shouldn't be a genetic difference.

But there's a big difference in sperm quality between these locations...

Turns out Danish men's sperm count was 40 per cent lower than the Swedish men's.
The article goes on to say that the relation between low sperm count and testicular cancer has been scientifically established and that it's twice as occurring across the Straits (Denmark) than in Sweden.

The article also says that Finnish men have the highest sperm count.

All pesticides allowed anywhere in Europe are used here as well, I find it hard to believe our agricultural practices differ much from anywhere else in Europe. On top of that, Finns are not exactly known for a low fat diet. lmao.gif 13.gif

Anyway, I found this very interesting and puzzling.

Any theories? 13.gif
12-06-2012, 03:02 AM #2
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
Hey Snufkin chuckle.gif

Sooo... What's this with shunning Swedes and Finns then? Is is because they're... Nordics? damned.gif
12-06-2012, 03:12 AM #3
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
Actually the most current study was done n France, so the Danes seem to be representative of the samples throughout the rest of Europe, oh wait, the article says the world...

Quote:The latest research was conducted in France but British experts say it has global implications. The scientists said the results constituted a "serious public health warning" and that the link with the environment "particularly needs to be determined".

So they're not favoring the great Danes. 13.gif
12-06-2012, 03:13 AM #4
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Porn coffeetime.gif reading.gif

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12-06-2012, 03:22 AM #5
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-06-2012, 03:06 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  it's the name

" Great Danes "


Marketing ,, ya know


Actually I heard an an interesting theory that vikings isn't really those horned helmet types of berserk blondes, but in fact named after VI kings. Six kings in roman numerals. 13.gif

edit to say: LOL! I do know the horned helmet thing was never part of the props to begin with. chuckle.gif
12-06-2012, 03:28 AM #6
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,775 Threads:1,181 Joined:Feb 2011
Good post Octo beercheer.gif

First thing in my mind is GMOs
12-06-2012, 03:31 AM #7
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,775 Threads:1,181 Joined:Feb 2011
Quote:When male rats were fed GM soy, their testicles actually changed color - from the normal pink to dark blue. Mice testicles also showed changes, including damaged young sperm cells. And the DNA in mice embryos functioned differently when their parents ate GM soy. Mice fed GM corn had fewer babies, and their children were smaller than normal.

About two dozen US farmers say that thousands of their pigs became sterile after consuming certain GM corn varieties. Some had false pregnancies; others gave birth to bags of water. Cows and bulls also became infertile when fed the same corn. Investigators in the state of Haryana, India, report that most buffalo that ate GM cottonseed had reproductive complications such as premature deliveries, abortions, infertility, and prolapsed uteruses. Many calves died.

http://www.sott.net/article/204610-The-Big-GMO-Cover-Up
12-06-2012, 03:41 AM #8
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
Yes but the same feed is used all over the EU hmm.gif
12-06-2012, 03:43 AM #9
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-06-2012, 03:28 AM)Shadow Wrote:  Good post Octo beercheer.gif

First thing in my mind is GMOs


Thanks beercheer.gif Yes I was thinking that too but there's now rules or regulations in that department separating Finland from Denmark.
12-06-2012, 04:23 AM #10
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:10,849 Threads:655 Joined:Feb 2011
That's what you get for smoking pot seeds.


coffeetime.gif

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor
12-06-2012, 05:08 AM #11
オタマジャクシ Member
Posts:1,310 Threads:32 Joined:Nov 2012
(12-06-2012, 02:52 AM)Octo Wrote:  
Quote: A comprehensive study into the reproductive health of 26,600 men found sperm concentration has decreased by a third since the 1990s.

The findings are so significant experts have warned action must now be taken to avoid significant fertility problems and the average family size decreasing.

The study, which was carried out in France, found there had been a ''significant and continuous'' 32.2 per cent decrease in sperm concentration over 17 years.

Numbers of sperm per millilitre of semen fell at about two per cent a year between 1989 and 2005, with researchers calculating the average 35-year-old man would see his sperm count reduced from around 73.6 million per millilitre of semen to 49.9 million.

At the same time, the proportion of normally formed sperm declined by about a third.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/health...-drop.html

Now, they're not sure what's causing this, but the scientific consensus seems to be:

Quote:Something in our modern lifestyle, diet or environment is causing this and it is getting progressively worse. We still do not know which are the most important factors but the most likely are … a high-fat diet and environmental chemical exposures."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...82449.html

Sounds plausible, but Swedish news went into some very interesting details:

According to Swedish National News svt.se , a similar study was conducted in 2000 in Sweden where no decline in sperm count was detected.

This is getting more interesting, the Swedish study was done in southern Sweden (Scania)
This is especially interesting considering how close the Southern part of Sweden is to Denmark.

Quote:The Sound (Danish Øresund, Danish pronunciation: [ˈøːɐsɔnˀ], or Swedish Öresund, pronounced [œrəˈsɵnd]), locally known as Sundet, is the strait that separates the Danish island Zealand from the southern Swedish province of Scania. Its width is just 4 kilometres (2.5 mi) at the narrowest point between Kronborg Castle at Elsinore (Helsingør in Danish) in Denmark, and the northern harbour of Helsingborg in Scania, Sweden. The strait has also lent its name to the Øresund Region of 3.8 million inhabitants on both the Danish and Swedish sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%98resund

google maps sat pic

In fact, historically speaking, Finland has been a part of the Swedish kingdom longer than Skåne, which belonged to the Danes up till 1658. So there shouldn't be a genetic difference.

But there's a big difference in sperm quality between these locations...

Turns out Danish men's sperm count was 40 per cent lower than the Swedish men's.
The article goes on to say that the relation between low sperm count and testicular cancer has been scientifically established and that it's twice as occurring across the Straits (Denmark) than in Sweden.

The article also says that Finnish men have the highest sperm count.

All pesticides allowed anywhere in Europe are used here as well, I find it hard to believe our agricultural practices differ much from anywhere else in Europe. On top of that, Finns are not exactly known for a low fat diet. lmao.gif 13.gif

Anyway, I found this very interesting and puzzling.

Any theories? 13.gif

Counting the little sperm gives them bad eyesight and they aren't able to see them all any more.
12-06-2012, 05:26 AM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:15,179 Threads:429 Joined:Jun 2012
(12-06-2012, 04:23 AM)Kreeper Wrote:  That's what you get for smoking pot seeds.


coffeetime.gif


And snap crackle pop.

I don't have any theories about this study yet, because I would like to see a study done on 26,000 men from around the globe.
12-06-2012, 05:35 AM #13
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:43,361 Threads:1,482 Joined:Feb 2011
lmao.gif I was thinking you were going to say I would like to see a study done on 26,000 men in front of me.


Never mind. I was multitasking and didn't know what I was thinking beerbong.gif
12-06-2012, 05:37 AM #14
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,775 Threads:1,181 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-06-2012, 05:26 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I don't have any theories about this study yet, because I would like to see a study done on 26,000 men from around the globe.


Okay but can the study be done in Italy not France? chuckle.gif
12-06-2012, 05:38 AM #15
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,775 Threads:1,181 Joined:Feb 2011
(12-06-2012, 05:35 AM)Octo Wrote:  Never mind. I was multitasking and didn't know what I was thinking beerbong.gif


guilty lmao.gif



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