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11-28-2012, 03:57 AM #1
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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The military-industrial complex and their partners in the Congressional "drone caucus" are reaping big profits from machine warfare. The rapid increase in computing power at a reduced cost is making a full-spectrum drone surveillance and weapons grid a very real possibility.

Most disturbing is that this war-matrix is projected to have the capability to make decisions independent of human review

http://www.activistpost.com/2012/11/term...-four.html

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US President Barack Obama has fast-tracked the creation of a new rulebook on when it is ‘legal’ to use drones for targeted killings. Obama reportedly feared that drones would be abused in a potential new administration after the November elections.

Two anonymous Obama administration officials claimed that explicit rules were being developed to establish clear standards and procedures for when “lethal action is acceptable,” the New York Times reported.

http://rt.com/usa/news/us-obama-drones-rulebook-574/

damned.gif but but... didn't the first article say the technology is cheaper if drone decisions are made independent of human review?

So... as much info as can be collected on people is put into a queriable database (the less they know about you, the closer you are scrutinized) and a computer program decides whether or not you are to be terminated because it's cheaper (aka more profitable) for a computer to decide than to hire a person to evaluate the info. Lovely.
11-28-2012, 04:03 AM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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Very lovely. damned.gif This would be the first time they'd come out with contradicting information. 13.gif
11-28-2012, 04:14 AM #3
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Quote:Two anonymous Obama administration officials claimed that explicit rules were being developed to establish clear standards and procedures for when “lethal action is acceptable,”

Clearly the computer program sets the standards and procedures. I recall not so long ago Obama declaring there were no civilian casualties of drone strikes, that if someone was killed in a drone attack they were standing close to a real terrist and were suspect and therefor not a civilian. Ergo, no civilians have been killed by drones. dunno.gif

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11-28-2012, 04:16 AM #4
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Here it is

Quote:Among the linguistic gymnastics embraced by Obama as the Pentagon struggled to deal with the inevitable rise in civilian casualties resulting from a massive increase in unmanned aerial drone strikes against suspected terrorists in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen was a deceptive redefinition of the term "militant." In an effort to minimize official civilian death tolls from these strikes, in which hundreds of innocent people have been killed in Pakistan alone, several administration officials told the Times that the administration is effectively counting "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants," barring "explicit" posthumous intelligence proving their innocence.

http://news.yahoo.com/report-obama-redef...00804.html

11-28-2012, 04:36 AM #5
オタマジャクシ Member
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(11-28-2012, 04:14 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
Quote:Two anonymous Obama administration officials claimed that explicit rules were being developed to establish clear standards and procedures for when “lethal action is acceptable,”

Clearly the computer program sets the standards and procedures. I recall not so long ago Obama declaring there were no civilian casualties of drone strikes, that if someone was killed in a drone attack they were standing close to a real terrist and were suspect and therefor not a civilian. Ergo, no civilians have been killed by drones. dunno.gif

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DIME explosives are going to significantly reduce collateral damage.

Antipersonnel hunter-killers (single person kill drones) are about 10 years away. It requires good facial recognition software. But they are already fielding face recognition software for the camera systems in major cities - so facial recognition is going to become real good real fast.

11-28-2012, 04:40 AM #6
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(11-28-2012, 04:36 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  so facial recognition is going to become real good real fast.


And cheap. Just wait until a bounty is placed on each 'proven militant', the computers generate the proof and the drone caucus owns the UAVs. coffeetime.gif
Open season on disidents.
11-28-2012, 05:00 AM #7
オタマジャクシ Member
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(11-28-2012, 04:40 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(11-28-2012, 04:36 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  so facial recognition is going to become real good real fast.


And cheap. Just wait until a bounty is placed on each 'proven militant', the computers generate the proof and the drone caucus owns the UAVs. coffeetime.gif
Open season on disidents.


Let's take Iraq. Spent about $1 Trillion. Killed about 25000 insurgents. Cost $ 40, 000, 000 per insurgent. Hunter-Killer $40,000 per copy. $40,000 to $80,000 deployment support. Net kill cost per insurgent 1/500 of current cost using live soldiers.

Cheap and efficient.

As SWORDS proved though - they occasionally have a hard time telling foes from friends.
11-28-2012, 05:48 AM #8
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(11-28-2012, 05:39 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  Just because I am a very Cynical Curious asshole

Did anyone ever come up with those : WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ?

another question since I'm feeling Frisky


If the U.S.A. is invaded by a foreign country


and I take up my weapons and fight against that invading army

am I at that point considered an Insurgent ?


The last I knew they found 500 rusty mustard/sarin shells and some mobile labs. Best guess is the good stuff got sent elsewhere (Syria periodically claims to have it - usually to scare the insurgents).

I suspect that everyone including the US government would consider you an insurgent - even if you wore fatigues.
11-28-2012, 06:09 AM #9
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(11-28-2012, 05:00 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  Let's take Iraq. Spent about $1 Trillion. Killed about 25000 insurgents. Cost $ 40, 000, 000 per insurgent. Hunter-Killer $40,000 per copy. $40,000 to $80,000 deployment support. Net kill cost per insurgent 1/500 of current cost using live soldiers.

Cheap and efficient.

As SWORDS proved though - they occasionally have a hard time telling foes from friends.


Absolutely. but let's not foget the $40m cost/insurgent kill is still billed to the taxpayer at a profit of $39.96 million to the MIC. Nice racket. Now hand the killing stats to a computer program -that runs the drones- with a 'civil unrest' algorithm built in coffeetime.gif
11-28-2012, 06:44 AM #10
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(11-28-2012, 06:30 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  
(11-28-2012, 05:48 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(11-28-2012, 05:39 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  Just because I am a very Cynical Curious asshole

Did anyone ever come up with those : WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ?

another question since I'm feeling Frisky


If the U.S.A. is invaded by a foreign country


and I take up my weapons and fight against that invading army

am I at that point considered an Insurgent ?


The last I knew they found 500 rusty mustand/sarin shells and some moblie labs. Best guess is the good stuff got sent elsewhere (Syria periodically claims to have it - usually to scare the insurgents).

I suspect that everyone including the US government would consider you an insurgent - even if you wore fatigues.



Seems by definition

i am a Qualified Approved Insurgent in this country ( U.S.A. )



on the WMD's ,, Just like Bin Laden being killed in the raid at his supposed compound
in Pakistan ,,,

I CALL BULLSHIT


PROVE IT
OR HANG THE BUSHITES


The only good thing about the Bin Laden story is when they put him in a burlap bag with a few rocks and threw him off the ship.

I tend to disagree with the "help the Bushies commit Bushito" meme and think it is counterproductive.

There wasn't enough WMD. This means it got moved or got buried (Saddam buried whole jet fighters out in the desert).
11-28-2012, 06:48 AM #11
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(11-28-2012, 06:44 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  There wasn't enough WMD. This means it got moved or got buried (Saddam buried whole jet fighters out in the desert).


So you learned about the jet fighters that got buried in the desert, but did you ever learn about the WMD that were buried in the desert?
11-28-2012, 06:59 AM #12
オタマジャクシ Member
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(11-28-2012, 06:48 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(11-28-2012, 06:44 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  There wasn't enough WMD. This means it got moved or got buried (Saddam buried whole jet fighters out in the desert).


So you learned about the jet fighters that got buried in the desert, but did you ever learn about the WMD that were buried in the desert?


A 30 ton fighter is a lot easier to find than a 100 lb shell (the shells were 155 mm).

Personally I think with Russian assistance they were trucked to Syria. Syria periodically confirms they have some Iraqi ordinance. The insurgents actually detonated at least one 155 shell. The shells were designed to be airdropped and spin-mixed in flight, not surface detonated, so it wasn't very effective but a couple of soldiers had to get treated. However this proves we didn't get all his ordinance.
11-28-2012, 07:15 AM #13
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(11-28-2012, 06:59 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  A 30 ton fighter is a lot easier to find than a 100 lb shell (the shells were 155 mm).

Personally I think with Russian assistance they were trucked to Syria. Syria periodically confirms they have some Iraqi ordinance. The insurgents actually detonated at least one 155 shell. The shells were designed to be airdropped and spin-mixed in flight, not surface detonated, so it wasn't very effective but a couple of soldiers had to get treated. However this proves we didn't get all his ordinance.


What damage or threat did Iraq pose to the US that 'getting all their ordinance' was even something the US considers their interest? Iraq never attacked the US, nor were any Iraqis a part of 9/11 (even if you believe the official bullshit) what Iraq DID do was bypass the petro-dollar.
11-28-2012, 08:58 AM #14
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(11-28-2012, 07:28 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  try it this way Tadpole

it is called : DEPARTMENT OF " DEFENSE "

IT IS FOR " DEFENSE "

It is not George Bushes personal HIT TEAM

the ğkking invasion of Iraq was an International CRIME .

I DON'T GIVE A FAT ğck IF IRAQ HAD AS MANY ğkking WEAPONS OF MASS

DESTRUCTION AS THE ƒükkêd UP U.S.A. AND ƒükkêd UP ISRAEL HAVE .


POINT : THE INVASION WAS DONE THROUGH ğkking LIES

IT WAS A CRIME


WHO THE ğck IS THE U.S.A. TO DICTATE <----<<< ( PAY ATTENTION TO THAT WORD RIGHT THERE BUDDY )

DICTATE TO OTHER COUNTRIES WHAT THOSE COUNTRIES CAN OR CANNOT HAVE ?


WHO THE ğck IS THE U.S.A. ? A ğkking WORLD DICTATOR ?

THAT'S THE JOB OF THE U.S.A. ? TO BE THE WORLDS DICTATOR ?

YOU MEAN YOU CONDONE THE U.S.A. AS A HITLER OF THE ENTIRE ğkking WORLD ?


THE WORLD IS NOT A ğkking VIDEO GAME BUD.


DO YOU WANT A NEW WORLD ORDER ,,,

WHERE PEOPLE LIKE BUSH/CHENEY/ROCKEFELLER/BRESINSKI/

RUN THE WORLD THEIR WAY LIKE A GROUP OF DICTATORS

LIKE THE NAZI'S THAT THEY ARE ?

DO YOU WANT KISSINGER RUNNING YOUR CHILDREN THROUGH VACINE MACHINES ?

HMMMMmmmm ?


if so
then you deserve what the ğck they shove up your ass .


We might have to agree to disagree.

I believe that the justification for the attack (WMD) was real.

However - if that was the pretext and Saddam was a good man - I would have been opposed to attacking Iraq.

Saddam was not a nice man. The least heinous of his activities was periodically sending Qusay to execute political prisoners to eliminate overcrowding and make room for new prisoners.

The postwar period was run ineptly. Bremer was creature of the state department and was an idiot. The military would have taken more interest in the insurgency and less interest in manipulating the financial infrastructure of the country. The postwar period should have been a lot cleaner and quieter.

As far as the vaccines - reducing the metal content would be good. Not sure that they are as bad as suggested.
11-28-2012, 12:13 PM #15
Octo Mother Superior
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The invasion of Iraq was based on made up "intelligence", but that didn't stop them. The bombing of Afghanistan started Oct. 7 2001, less than a month after 9/11. No way can you mobilize and and execute such a massive operation in that short of a time. It was planned way ahead.


Quote:In an interview with the Scottish Sunday Herald, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer Larry C. Johnson said the OSP was "dangerous for US national security and a threat to world peace. [The OSP] lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam. It's a group of ideologues with pre-determined notions of truth and reality. They take bits of intelligence to support their agenda and ignore anything contrary. They should be eliminated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans



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