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11-29-2012, 03:01 AM #16
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(11-28-2012, 12:13 PM)Octo Wrote:  The invasion of Iraq was based on made up "intelligence", but that didn't stop them. The bombing of Afghanistan started Oct. 7 2001, less than a month after 9/11. No way can you mobilize and and execute such a massive operation in that short of a time. It was planned way ahead.

Quote:In an interview with the Scottish Sunday Herald, former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer Larry C. Johnson said the OSP was "dangerous for US national security and a threat to world peace. [The OSP] lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam. It's a group of ideologues with pre-determined notions of truth and reality. They take bits of intelligence to support their agenda and ignore anything contrary. They should be eliminated.


We always plan for war based on "intelligence". If a leader announces he is going to war based on "stupidity" no one would follow him.

We could deploy cruise missiles within hours. Strategic bombers (B52/B2) could fly from anywhere, the only issue is arranging refueling. The initial attacks were high altitude bombing and that doesn't require a long lead time.

Clinton launched cruise missiles with 2 weeks of embassy attacks. There is some debate over whether he was sitting on the target information and just attacked to get Monica out of the news (the wag the dog theory).
11-29-2012, 04:16 AM #17
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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オタマジャクシ, there were no WMD. None. Iraq was never a threat to the US, never threatened to harm the US and could not have if they wanted to. The best proof US intelligence could offer was a 'mobile chemical weapons' factory that turned out ot be a weather balloon inflation station.

There were no WMD in Iraq.
11-29-2012, 07:04 AM #18
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(11-29-2012, 04:16 AM)Shadow Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tFKa2_YBQ

オタマジャクシ, there were no WMD. None. Iraq was never a threat to the US, never threatened to harm the US and could not have if they wanted to. The best proof US intelligence could offer was a 'mobile chemical weapons' factory that turned out ot be a weather balloon inflation station.

There were no WMD in Iraq.

There used to be lots of satellite photos of the Russian deuce and a half trucks hauling something into Syria.

We'll use a liberal source that is actively hostile to the Bush Administration - Wikipedia.
"Various nuclear facilities, including the Baghdad Nuclear Research Facility and Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center, were found looted in the month following the invasion. (Gellman, May 3, 2003) On June 20, 2003, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported that tons of uranium, as well as other radioactive materials such as thorium, had been recovered, and that the vast majority had remained on site. There were several reports of radiation sickness in the area. It has been suggested that the documents and suspected weapons sites were looted and burned in Iraq by looters in the final days of the war.

On May 2, 2004, a shell containing mustard gas was found in the middle of a street west of Baghdad. The Iraq Survey Group investigation reported that it had been previously 'stored improperly', and thus the gas was 'ineffective' as a useful chemical agent. Officials from the Defense Department commented that they were not certain if use was to be made of the device as a bomb.

On May 16, 2004, a 152 mm artillery shell was used as an improvised bomb. The shell exploded and two U.S. soldiers were treated for minor exposure to a nerve agent (nausea and dilated pupils). On May 18 it was reported by U.S. Department of Defense intelligence officials that tests showed the two-chambered shell contained the chemical agent sarin, the shell being 'likely' to have contained three to four liters of the substance (in the form of its two unmixed precursor chemicals prior to the aforementioned explosion that had not effectively mixed them)...

In June 2004, the United States removed 2 tons of low-enriched uranium from Iraq, sufficient raw material for a single nuclear weapon.
Demetrius Perricos, then head of UNMOVIC, stated that the Kay report contained little information not already known by UNMOVIC.[107] Many organizations, such as the journal Biosecurity and Bioterrorism, have claimed that Kay's report is a 'worst case analysis'[108]
Beginning in 2003, the ISG had uncovered remnants of Iraq's 1980s-era WMD programs. On June 21, 2006 Rick Santorum claimed that 'we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons', citing a declassified June 6 letter to Pete Hoekstra saying that since the 2003 invasion, a total of 'approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent' had been found scattered throughout the country.
On July 2008, 550 metric tonnes of 'yellowcake' the last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program, a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium, arrived in Montreal as part of a top-secret U.S. operation. This transport of the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment, included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a voyage across two oceans. The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium producer, Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth 'tens of millions of dollars.'

Tonnes of the yellowcake was dumped into Iraq rivers by the Iraqis so they could steal the 33 gallon drums it came in. This is the source of the scandal sheet reports of radioactivity and heavy metal poisoning. The depleted uranium ammunition is mostly blameless.

The US recovered 550 metric tonnes yellowcake uranium. 550 metric tonnes of Yellowcake would yield about 1600 kg of U235 at weapons grade, assuming reasonably efficient separation. Assume 25 kg per gun type weapon, so about 64 weapons.

The first US test of a gun type weapon was on the actual enemy (gun type nuclear weapons are that easy). The Trinity test of an implosion weapon was made because they weren't sure it would work.

Bottom line:
1. Saddam had WMD
2. The Iraqis took some of it. Most of the IEDs used shells they stole from the same stockpiles.
3. The Iraqis tried (possibly unintentionally) to use a couple of chemical shells.
3. The Russians took something using dozens of deuce and a half trucks to Syria.
4. We found about 500 shells. The shells were useless without a howitzer.

The question isn't whether Saddam had WMD. The question is what got hauled to Syria? The rebels have a significant Al Qaeda component that will get their hands on that material within 6 months.

I really hope you are right that Saddam didn't have any more WMD. Lets hope...



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