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11-20-2012, 06:39 AM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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Ok, that was brought about by NIGHTMARE who asked JR if we celebrate Thanksgiving here.

Yes we are, but only because it's JR's favorite holiday and I'm open minded. We have turkey and beer and football and are being grateful for a lot of things.

Anyways, found a really interesting article about our old pagan holiday kekri. Also in honor of that great news site that shut down their English section in October I'll post this article in its entirety.

Kekri - ancient celebration to mark end of harvest season

By Emma Vainio

Kekri, the ancient, almost forgotten, Finnish celebration of the end of the harvest season, was still commonly celebrated in rural Finland 100 years ago.
The Halloween tradition, which has come to Finland as an import from the American cultural sphere, with scary costumes and children begging for sweets, contains many elements in common with traditional Finnish late autumn festival.

Halloween has roots in the Celtic Samhain new year's celebrations, which Irish immigrants took with them to America. It was then that the summer was over and the souls of the dead joined the harvest celebrations.
In Finland the turn of the year occurred at around Kekri time, and at about the same time, Finns observed an interim period of about two weeks, when the months, calculated according to the phases of the moon, were adjusted to the solar year.
This phase between the new and old year was considered significant, and it involved many different kinds of beliefs.
People looked for omens in the weather for the next harvest season, and guidance was also sought on matters of love.
The spirits of the dead were said to wander in this world especially during the Kekri period.
The feast to celebrate Kekri was prepared already before bathing in the sauna, and the dead of the family were invited to come in and sample the offerings while the others bathed.

In different parts of the world the harvest celebrations have included a sacrificial meal. In Finland, the feast was crowned by a Kekri lamb. The blood was spilled for the protectors of the cattle, and a soup was made of the meat.

This is pagan Finland mind you[Octo's comment]

At harvest time, stores of food were bulging, and there was no stinginess when celebrating the autumn feast. Once the work of the year was done, it was time to eat, drink, and dance.
At least the man of the house was expected to get as intoxicated as possible so that the grain harvest for the next year would be as big as possible.
The "Köyri goats", dressed in a mask and fur (precursors of the present Finnish Father Christmas) went from house to house begging for drinks of the fermented drink sahti, and amusing the people in the house.
From the middle ages onward, the old Finnish customs started to blend in with the new Christian elements.
The Church sought to bring the Julian calendar into use in Finland, and the new year was moved to the beginning of January.

Helsingin Sanomat / First published in print 30.10.2006

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Kekri+-...5222832346
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Pekka Ruotsalainen puts on a Köyri goat performance in Maaninka in 1927.
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11-20-2012, 06:44 AM #2
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Are the Finnish losing their traditions, Octo?
11-20-2012, 06:52 AM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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The Finns lost their traditions when the church got involved. And that is actually a pretty recent thing in history. The area where we live was actually the last place to get 'converted' to religion and I know exactly the point where 'church people' were killed on sight back in the 1600s. damned.gif
11-20-2012, 09:58 AM #4
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Quote:Ok, that was brought about by NIGHTMARE who asked JR if we celebrate Thanksgiving here.

Yes we are, but only because it's JR's favorite stomach holiday and I'm open minded. We have turkey and beer and football and are being grateful for a lot of things.

FTFY

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11-20-2012, 01:55 PM #5
bohica Member
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(11-20-2012, 06:52 AM)Octo Wrote:  The Finns lost their traditions when the church got involved. And that is actually a pretty recent thing in history. The area where we live was actually the last place to get 'converted' to religion and I know exactly the point where 'church people' were killed on sight back in the 1600s. damned.gif



I'm really curious as to what would constitute "a lot of them".
Though I'm pretty sure that Europe-Scandanavia was fairly well populated by the 1600's , hearing about it from someone who was there is really a better source.
Thank you.

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11-20-2012, 03:05 PM #6
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(11-20-2012, 09:58 AM)-NIGHTMARE- Wrote:  
Quote:Ok, that was brought about by NIGHTMARE who asked JR if we celebrate Thanksgiving here.

Yes we are, but only because it's JR's favorite stomach holiday and I'm open minded. We have turkey and beer and football and are being grateful for a lot of things.

FTFY

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11-20-2012, 03:13 PM #7
Octo Mother Superior
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(11-20-2012, 10:26 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  in above photo : The Devil Dog Beepers

click on it

and look at her eye's damned.gifdamned.gifdamned.gif


lmao.gif I refuse to look into her eyes. She'll make me do evil things. rofl.gif

Bohica, I don't think these parts of the world have ever been very heavily populated. I think population numbers jumped mainly when they stopped emigrating to start other civilizations over in the US for instance. chuckle.gif

Year Pop. ±%
1750 421,000 —
1760 490,000 +16.4%
1770 560,000 +14.3%
1780 660,000 +17.9%
1790 706,000 +7.0%
1800 837,000 +18.6%
1810 863,000 +3.1%
1820 1,177,500 +36.4%
1830 1,372,100 +16.5%
1840 1,445,600 +5.4%
1850 1,636,900 +13.2%
1860 1,746,700 +6.7%
1870 1,768,800 +1.3%
1880 2,060,800 +16.5%
1890 2,380,100 +15.5%
1900 2,655,900 +11.6%
1910 2,943,400 +10.8%
1920 3,147,600 +6.9%
1930 3,462,700 +10.0%
1940 3,695,610 +6.7%
1950 4,029,800 +9.0%
1960 4,496,220 +11.6%
1970 4,598,330 +2.3%
1980 4,787,770 +4.1%
1990 4,998,480 +4.4%
2000 5,181,000 +3.7%
2010 5,365,000 +3.6%

Quote:Finland numbers some 5.4 million and has an average population density of 17 inhabitants per square kilometre. This makes it the third most sparsely populated country in Europe, after Iceland and Norway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Finland
11-20-2012, 05:19 PM #8
yankees skier
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Quote:We have turkey and beer and football and are being grateful for a lot of things.

Well, that is what it's all about. coffeetime.gifhi5.gifbeercheer.gif

Biere.
11-20-2012, 05:38 PM #9
Octo Mother Superior
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I think I can roll with that. coffeetime.gifbeercheer.gif
11-20-2012, 05:40 PM #10
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Works fer daddeh. lmao.gif

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