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The 1% don't take half my money. The government does.
07-19-2014, 02:06 AM #1
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Quote:This idea that we live in a world where government cares about us is just the biggest propaganda ever. Everyone one will only pursue their own self-interest. The OECD has interesting come out and warned that if governments are unable to stop the transfer of wealth to a small financial elite, the displeasure of the dispossessed middle class could easily turn and go against the prevailing governmental systems. The OECD has claimed to have discovered the existence of a veritable “lumpenproletariat” in the supposedly rich Germany. Even though the systems attempt to provide citizens with bread and circuses in the traditional Roman style to keep them quiet, such tactics they warn may have now become obsolete after the ultimate circus is over – the World Cup.
The problem with all of these studies is the look at class warfare and not at the consumption of government.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18...est-coming

Eat the rich? Eat the fukin govrnment!! You'll get richer coffeetime.gif
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07-19-2014, 03:52 PM #2
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-19-2014, 02:06 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
Quote:This idea that we live in a world where government cares about us is just the biggest propaganda ever. Everyone one will only pursue their own self-interest. The OECD has interesting come out and warned that if governments are unable to stop the transfer of wealth to a small financial elite, the displeasure of the dispossessed middle class could easily turn and go against the prevailing governmental systems. The OECD has claimed to have discovered the existence of a veritable “lumpenproletariat” in the supposedly rich Germany. Even though the systems attempt to provide citizens with bread and circuses in the traditional Roman style to keep them quiet, such tactics they warn may have now become obsolete after the ultimate circus is over – the World Cup.
The problem with all of these studies is the look at class warfare and not at the consumption of government.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18...est-coming

Eat the rich? Eat the fukin govrnment!! You'll get richer coffeetime.gif

more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

the more you earn the more they take. if you're in the lower income spectrum about 20% of your gross income goes to social insurances and
income tax. at the highest income spectrum you'll indeed pay up to about 48%.

but the average german pays about 33%. the average german gross income is €2100 per month.

how much of your income goes to the state strongly depends on your tax class and how many kids you have etc etc.
being an unmarried single without children is the worst thing as you end up with tax class 1 (which is the worst tax class).

my examples above are worst case scenarios. i used tax class 1 to calculate them.


edit: by "average income" i meant in fact the median income. the numbers i used to calculate it were from 2010 but they're most likely still okay because wages rise very slowly here.
07-19-2014, 03:56 PM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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Pretty much the same setup here, but I didn't look into any percentages.
07-19-2014, 04:08 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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Ok, Finland's lowest earners pay 1,5 percentage points less tax than the European average for that income class, while the top earners pay 3 to 6,2 pp more tax. For average income Finns pay 1,5 pp more than the average European.
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07-19-2014, 04:11 PM #5
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our filthy communist countries. lol.gif
07-19-2014, 04:16 PM #6
Octo Mother Superior
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07-19-2014, 04:40 PM #7
White Ribbon call me
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(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 02:06 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
Quote:This idea that we live in a world where government cares about us is just the biggest propaganda ever. Everyone one will only pursue their own self-interest. The OECD has interesting come out and warned that if governments are unable to stop the transfer of wealth to a small financial elite, the displeasure of the dispossessed middle class could easily turn and go against the prevailing governmental systems. The OECD has claimed to have discovered the existence of a veritable “lumpenproletariat” in the supposedly rich Germany. Even though the systems attempt to provide citizens with bread and circuses in the traditional Roman style to keep them quiet, such tactics they warn may have now become obsolete after the ultimate circus is over – the World Cup.
The problem with all of these studies is the look at class warfare and not at the consumption of government.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18...est-coming

Eat the rich? Eat the fukin govrnment!! You'll get richer coffeetime.gif

more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

the more you earn the more they take. if you're in the lower income spectrum about 20% of your gross income goes to social insurances and
income tax. at the highest income spectrum you'll indeed pay up to about 48%.

but the average german pays about 33%. the average german gross income is €2100 per month.

how much of your income goes to the state strongly depends on your tax class and how many kids you have etc etc.
being an unmarried single without children is the worst thing as you end up with tax class 1 (which is the worst tax class).

my examples above are worst case scenarios. i used tax class 1 to calculate them.


edit: by "average income" i meant in fact the median income. the numbers i used to calculate it were from 2010 but they're most likely still okay because wages rise very slowly here.

same percentages of tax here too.. we now have a tax free threshold of $15,000.. so if you earn under that you pay no tax..

yep, living the socialists dream.. 13.gif
failboat Show this Post
07-19-2014, 05:02 PM #8
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-19-2014, 04:40 PM)the white ribbon Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 02:06 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
Quote:This idea that we live in a world where government cares about us is just the biggest propaganda ever. Everyone one will only pursue their own self-interest. The OECD has interesting come out and warned that if governments are unable to stop the transfer of wealth to a small financial elite, the displeasure of the dispossessed middle class could easily turn and go against the prevailing governmental systems. The OECD has claimed to have discovered the existence of a veritable “lumpenproletariat” in the supposedly rich Germany. Even though the systems attempt to provide citizens with bread and circuses in the traditional Roman style to keep them quiet, such tactics they warn may have now become obsolete after the ultimate circus is over – the World Cup.
The problem with all of these studies is the look at class warfare and not at the consumption of government.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-18...est-coming

Eat the rich? Eat the fukin govrnment!! You'll get richer coffeetime.gif

more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

the more you earn the more they take. if you're in the lower income spectrum about 20% of your gross income goes to social insurances and
income tax. at the highest income spectrum you'll indeed pay up to about 48%.

but the average german pays about 33%. the average german gross income is €2100 per month.

how much of your income goes to the state strongly depends on your tax class and how many kids you have etc etc.
being an unmarried single without children is the worst thing as you end up with tax class 1 (which is the worst tax class).

my examples above are worst case scenarios. i used tax class 1 to calculate them.


edit: by "average income" i meant in fact the median income. the numbers i used to calculate it were from 2010 but they're most likely still okay because wages rise very slowly here.

same percentages of tax here too.. we now have a tax free threshold of $15,000.. so if you earn under that you pay no tax..

yep, living the socialists dream.. 13.gif

is it possible to survive with 15k?
07-19-2014, 05:07 PM #9
White Ribbon call me
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not here... in the US i guess its the norm for people on minimum wage. thats why they need socialist programs like food stamps. (dont have those in our countries do we?)
07-19-2014, 05:12 PM #10
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

I get what you're saying, same here. But the article is all taxes, not just income tax.
failboat Show this Post
07-19-2014, 05:29 PM #11
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-19-2014, 05:12 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

I get what you're saying, same here. But the article is all taxes, not just income tax.

indirect taxes are only generated when you purchase something. hard to calculate them properly. but even then i doubt that it's even near 50%.
07-19-2014, 05:53 PM #12
Kreeper Griobhtha
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(07-19-2014, 05:29 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 05:12 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

I get what you're saying, same here. But the article is all taxes, not just income tax.

indirect taxes are only generated when you purchase something. hard to calculate them properly. but even then i doubt that it's even near 50%.

The figures I've read in the past were closer to 78-80% of income paid to taxes.

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor
failboat Show this Post
07-19-2014, 06:54 PM #13
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-19-2014, 05:53 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 05:29 PM)failboat Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 05:12 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 03:52 PM)failboat Wrote:  more than 50% of the averages person's income goes to taxes here in germany? chuckle.gif
that's not true.

I get what you're saying, same here. But the article is all taxes, not just income tax.

indirect taxes are only generated when you purchase something. hard to calculate them properly. but even then i doubt that it's even near 50%.

The figures I've read in the past were closer to 78-80% of income paid to taxes.

even if that was true... what's the point of calculating the impact of the indirect taxes on your income?
look at it this way: if the state doesn't take it the corporations will take it by rising their prices. if the state drops all indirect taxes to 0% you can be sure as hell that the corporations will raise their prices. it's not like people are going to be able to save more money or something.
07-19-2014, 07:45 PM #14
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,782 Threads:1,182 Joined:Feb 2011
(07-19-2014, 06:54 PM)failboat Wrote:  even if that was true... what's the point of calculating the impact of the indirect taxes on your income?
look at it this way: if the state doesn't take it the corporations will take it by rising their prices. if the state drops all indirect taxes to 0% you can be sure as hell that the corporations will raise their prices. it's not like people are going to be able to save more money or something.

Then you can decide where to spend it instead of the gov. taking it and spending it for you.
failboat Show this Post
07-19-2014, 07:55 PM #15
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-19-2014, 07:45 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(07-19-2014, 06:54 PM)failboat Wrote:  even if that was true... what's the point of calculating the impact of the indirect taxes on your income?
look at it this way: if the state doesn't take it the corporations will take it by rising their prices. if the state drops all indirect taxes to 0% you can be sure as hell that the corporations will raise their prices. it's not like people are going to be able to save more money or something.

Then you can decide where to spend it instead of the gov. taking it and spending it for you.

no. there won't be more money left for you to spend. the only difference is that corporations (private persons) will be the beneficiaries instead of the state.
it would probably weaken the state so much that in the end you'd have no rights and no choices at all. :/



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