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The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science
02-05-2017, 09:21 PM #16
Kreeper Griobhtha
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Clean air and water are another story. I'm all for it. Unfortunately, when they went from cleaning up the environment to global warming/climate change they took the focus off of cleaning up the environment. They used scare tactics to distract people and eliminated 30 years of efforts including getting rid of the Clean Air, Water and Soil Acts. They picked the one thing they knew would keep increasing, CO2, and vilified it.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-05-2017, 09:35 PM #17
Kreeper Griobhtha
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How about some global cooling and a mini ice age?





I guess we will find out pretty soon who is right.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-05-2017, 11:36 PM #18
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-11-2017, 03:02 PM #19
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-11-2017, 03:07 PM #20
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011
Another NOAA whistleblower

"The Mail on Sunday today reveals astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change."

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-12-2017, 05:41 PM #21
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:30,516 Threads:1,484 Joined:Feb 2011
Exaggerating global warming?
Our glorious leaders and scientists would never do such a thing. rofl.gif

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02-12-2017, 06:27 PM #22
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011
(02-12-2017, 05:41 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Exaggerating global warming?
Our glorious leaders and scientists would never do such a thing. rofl.gif

Nope. Never.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-13-2017, 12:44 PM #23
DaJavoo If looks could kilt
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It's cyclical.

"Measurements" cannot be trusted ~ they're brought to you by the usual suspects.

The star that hangs in our solar neighborhood has a helluva lot more to do with the planet's climate than anything mankind can gin up, except perhaps for a major nuclear war.
02-13-2017, 12:48 PM #24
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011
(02-13-2017, 12:44 PM)DaJavoo Wrote:  It's cyclical.

"Measurements" cannot be trusted ~ they're brought to you by the usual suspects.

The star that hangs in our solar neighborhood has a helluva lot more to do with the planet's climate than anything mankind can gin up, except perhaps for a major nuclear war.

yup.gif

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-14-2017, 12:17 AM #25
US nli Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-05-2017, 09:21 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  Clean air and water are another story. I'm all for it. Unfortunately, when they went from cleaning up the environment to global warming/climate change they took the focus off of cleaning up the environment. They used scare tactics to distract people and eliminated 30 years of efforts including getting rid of the Clean Air, Water and Soil Acts. They picked the one thing they knew would keep increasing, CO2, and vilified it.

I am not convinced that human activity is benign in all of this.
02-14-2017, 03:08 AM #26
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:11,168 Threads:753 Joined:Feb 2011
(02-14-2017, 12:17 AM)US nli Wrote:  
(02-05-2017, 09:21 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  Clean air and water are another story. I'm all for it. Unfortunately, when they went from cleaning up the environment to global warming/climate change they took the focus off of cleaning up the environment. They used scare tactics to distract people and eliminated 30 years of efforts including getting rid of the Clean Air, Water and Soil Acts. They picked the one thing they knew would keep increasing, CO2, and vilified it.

I am not convinced that human activity is benign in all of this.

Then what caused the previous ice ages and then the warming periods between? There have been times when average temps were much higher than they are now. How can that be without people causing it.

We aren't causing the warming. We are polluting the earth. Carbon has nothing to do with warming. The warming causes the increase in CO2.

What politics from both sides wants to teach us is that things are never complex. If you have your little package and something doesn't fit into that package, You don't know what to make of it so you want to dismiss it or then you will have to do the work of reconsidering your assumptions. - Michael Malice
02-14-2017, 04:49 PM #27
US nli Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-14-2017, 03:08 AM)Kreeper Wrote:  
(02-14-2017, 12:17 AM)US nli Wrote:  
(02-05-2017, 09:21 PM)Kreeper Wrote:  Clean air and water are another story. I'm all for it. Unfortunately, when they went from cleaning up the environment to global warming/climate change they took the focus off of cleaning up the environment. They used scare tactics to distract people and eliminated 30 years of efforts including getting rid of the Clean Air, Water and Soil Acts. They picked the one thing they knew would keep increasing, CO2, and vilified it.

I am not convinced that human activity is benign in all of this.

Then what caused the previous ice ages and then the warming periods between? There have been times when average temps were much higher than they are now. How can that be without people causing it.

We aren't causing the warming. We are polluting the earth. Carbon has nothing to do with warming. The warming causes the increase in CO2.

Of course carbon has to do with the greenhouse effect and in the past it was volcanoes producing the CO2.

Quote:The burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use results in the emission into the atmosphere of approximately 30 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide per year worldwide, according to the EIA. The fossil fuels emissions numbers are about 100 times bigger than even the maximum estimated volcanic CO2 fluxes. Our understanding of volcanic discharges would have to be shown to be very mistaken before volcanic CO2 discharges could be considered anything but a bit player in contributing to the recent changes observed in the concentration of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere.

Quote:Volcanoes can—and do—influence the global climate over time periods of a few years but this is achieved through the injection of sulfate aerosols into the high reaches of the atmosphere during the very large volcanic eruptions that occur sporadically each century. But that's another story...

https://www.skepticalscience.com/volcano...arming.htm



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