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The Fukushima Disaster
03-27-2011, 03:44 AM #376
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
(03-27-2011, 01:39 AM)Cynicalabsurdance Wrote:  CULT, defined, is a mental state , shared amongst a group, that holds a mental state that is against the laws of ,,,,,,

anyone else?
anyone care to finish the definition for me?

Reason? That the word you're looking for CA? Had a chat with my sister this morning, the older one that doesn't need meds rofl.gif at least i thought.i said get some potassium Iodide and take one every day, she said no. Then she talked to a pharmacist friend of hers who said you can actually destroy your thyroid taking it and does no good unless there's radiation in the atmosphere. I tried to explain to her a regular maintenance dose is 1-2 capsules/day and it does no good at all to take after you've been exposed but she is adamant she is not taking it. dunno.gif You said:

" i can feel sorry only for those who were totally ignorant of facts"

and I can so empathize.
03-27-2011, 03:54 AM #377
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
Level of iodine-131 in seawater off chart
Contamination 1,250 times above maximum limit

...But he also stressed there is "no immediate risk to public health," as the changing tides will dilute the iodine-131, and its half-life, or the amount of time it takes for it to lose half its radioactivity, is only eight days.


03-27-2011, 12:48 PM #378
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Quote:Shadow - looks like one reactor has hit a water table

I don't like the sound of this at all.

All bets are off if that's the case. Although the situation is different. That was one the biggest fears of the Soviets. They send miners from all over the soviet union, to build a tunnel underneath the reactor, so they could fill the space with a cooling system, but then changed their minds and if I remember correctly filled it with special cement to stop the fuel from hitting the water table/aquifer. As it could potentially lead to a massive explosion.
03-27-2011, 01:34 PM #379
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
P, it isn't good at all

TOKYO — Radioactivity in water at one earthquake-crippled Japanese nuclear reactor soared to 10 million times its usual level Sunday, prompting the plant operator to evacuate workers, local media reported.


03-27-2011, 02:04 PM #380
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Chernobyl was one reactor, a huge clusterfuck explosion that went straight to level 7 on the scale. In just two weeks the Fukushima Plant has risen to 6 on the scale, that they have admitted.

The Fukushima "50", they are no doubt brave workers, I won't say men. Who knows women might be helping to save the day too, I hope so. Lets not leave this just to men to sort out (I'm a guy).

But 50 people - 6 reactors that have all had damage to some degree, We may not have heard much about 1-2 (only snippets myself) but the Tsunami didn't just bypass those two reactors.

It's just doesn't seem enough people are on the Job, or are they able to do the Job?

Yes, Chernobyl was different. But did their workers ever have to run away from the plant/were they even allowed to leave the site. Did thy just keep working anyway? It took them months at Chernobyl to clean the area as best they could and make/build a containment vessel, for a comparatively small area compared to the Fukashima plant situation.

I hope they have similar plans on the drawing board, but it doesn't seem likely. Everything seems to be happening too quickly for Tepco to react.

Did they seriously not think to themselves "you know we should bring in freshwater ASAP, or salt water is just going to contaminate the reactor" It took a long time for them to realize this danger. So the US Navy had to bring in fresh water, shows you just how isolated Japan is.

No one should be surprised at the high level of contamination in the nearby Ocean, they keep pumping the same water over the site.
03-27-2011, 02:08 PM #381
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
No they weren't allowed to leave, the scientists from chernobyl, here's an interview with the last of them alive
03-27-2011, 02:48 PM #382
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Quote:Emergency workers struggling to pump contaminated water from Japan's stricken nuclear complex fled one of the troubled reactors Sunday after reporting a huge spike in radioactivity, with levels 10 million times higher than normal in the reactor's cooling system, officials said.

now where exactly are they putting this radioactive water? 13.gif
03-27-2011, 03:11 PM #383
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NEWS ADVISORY: TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous


what a relief :whew: All is well again coffeetime.gif
03-27-2011, 03:23 PM #384
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That interview was harrowing. 'Nuclear slavery'- new one on me. One story out of hundreds of thousands.

Quote:TEPCO says radioactivity data of No. 2 reactor puddle partly erroneous

What do they think people are stupid. That they are going to believe this utter nonsense. They'll probably leave it, let t sink into the ground water I guess.gaah.gif
03-27-2011, 03:32 PM #385
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
(03-27-2011, 03:23 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  What do they think people are stupid. That they are going to believe this utter nonsense. They'll probably leave it, let t sink into the ground water I guess.gaah.gif

Problem is they DO!! They do believe utter nonsense! The evidence is overwhelming. I'm becoming a freaking hermit because I can't stand the utter tripe and rubbish that passes for conversation in the social world. Try and discuss something of consequence (take food price inflation for ie) their eyes glaze over, attention turns elsewhere, I'm convinced it's a conditioned response generated by television. Okay some diversion is good, we regularily have thread corrections cheers.gif but not to the total exclusion of relevant global events.

/rant chuckle.gif
03-27-2011, 03:39 PM #386
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Sad but true Shadow, it's as if the general population has had a collective lobotomy. Talk about anything of importance and people cock their heads sideways like a dog that hears a high pitched whistle. gaah.gif

I don't fully comprehend what TV, fluoride , flu shots, etc. have done that make people so ğkking stupid, but for some it works like a charm. sad2.gif Maybe they should consult their ministers. drinking.gif

03-27-2011, 03:51 PM #387
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
"Collective lobotomy" rofl.gif rofl.gif Yeah it's true. My sister blasts me for not paying more attention to BC politics, did I know they want to build a pipeline in her back yard?? Don't I care? meanwhile driving to protests on gasoline brought to her local gas station by a ğkking pipeline gaah.gif rofl.gif People don't think, they just take the easy out of letting others (television) do it for them. So sometimes my thinking is 'french' but I've been right once or twice and I definitely don't drink the kool aid. I drink the beer chuckle.gif
03-27-2011, 06:01 PM #388
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
International shipping companies say their cargo ships will not enter Japan ports for the fear of radioactive contamination from the Fukushima nuclear plant.


sad2.gif The Japanese are screwed. They can't export, they can't import, they have little uncontaminated water, the Pacific is polluted with radiation so no fishing. Completely isolated. ğck .
03-27-2011, 07:29 PM #389
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Okay, BBC propaganda piece at its finest.


Viewpoint: We should stop running away from radiation

Yes we shouldn't run from it all, we should all line up at our nearest nuclear facility, for some nuketastic therapy.

Quote:More than 10,000 people have died in the Japanese tsunami and the survivors are cold and hungry. But the media concentrate on nuclear radiation from which no-one has died - and is unlikely to.

What of Three Mile Island? There were no known deaths there.

And Chernobyl? The latest UN report published on 28 February confirms the known death toll - 28 fatalities among emergency workers, plus 15 fatal cases of child thyroid cancer - which would have been avoided if iodine tablets had been taken (as they have now in Japan). And in each case the numbers are minute compared with the 3,800 at Bhopal in 1984, who died as a result of a leak of chemicals from the Union Carbide pesticide plant.
Continue reading the main story
Becquerels and Sieverts

So what of the radioactivity released at Fukushima? How does it compare with that at Chernobyl? Let's look at the measured count rates. The highest rate reported, at 1900 on 22 March, for any Japanese prefecture was 12 kBq per sq m (for the radioactive isotope of caesium, caesium-137).

A map of Chernobyl in the UN report shows regions shaded according to rate, up to 3,700 kBq per sq m - areas with less than 37 kBq per sq m are not shaded at all. In round terms, this suggests that the radioactive fallout at Fukushima is less than 1% of that at Chernobyl.

The other important radioisotope in fallout is iodine, which can cause child thyroid cancer.

This is only produced when the reactor is on and quickly decays once the reactor shuts down (it has a half life of eight days). The old fuel rods in storage at Fukushima, though radioactive, contain no iodine.

But at Chernobyl the full inventory of iodine and caesium was released in the initial explosion, so that at Fukushima any release of iodine should be much less than 1% of that at Chernobyl - with an effect reduced still further by iodine tablets.

Unfortunately, public authorities react by providing over-cautious guidance - and this simply escalates public concern.

On the 16th anniversary of Chernobyl, the Swedish radiation authorities, writing in the Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter, admitted over-reacting by setting the safety level too low and condemning 78% of all reindeer meat unnecessarily, and at great cost.

Unfortunately, the Japanese seem to be repeating the mistake. On 23 March they advised that children should not drink tap water in Tokyo, where an activity of 200 Bq per litre had been measured the day before. Let's put this in perspective. The natural radioactivity in every human body is 50 Bq per litre - 200 Bq per litre is really not going to do much harm.

In the Cold War era most people were led to believe that nuclear radiation presents a quite exceptional danger understood only by "eggheads" working in secret military establishments.

To cope with the friendly fire of such nuclear propaganda on the home front, ever tighter radiation regulations were enacted in order to keep all contact with radiation As Low As Reasonably Achievable (ALARA), as the principle became known.

This attempt at reassurance is the basis of international radiation safety regulations today, which suggest an upper limit for the general public of 1 mSv per year above natural levels.

This very low figure is not a danger level, rather it's a small addition to the levels found in nature - a British person is exposed to 2.7 mSv per year, on average. My book Radiation and Reason argues that a responsible danger level based on current science would be 100 mSv per month, with a lifelong limit of 5,000 mSv, not 1 mSv per year.
New attitude

People worry about radiation because they cannot feel it. However, nature has a solution - in recent years it has been found that living cells replace and mend themselves in various ways to recover from a dose of radiation.

These clever mechanisms kick in within hours and rarely fail, except when they are overloaded - as at Chernobyl, where most of the emergency workers who received a dose greater than 4,000 mSv over a few hours died within weeks.
Continue reading the main story
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Some might ask whether I would accept radioactive waste buried 100 metres under my own house?”

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However, patients receiving a course of radiotherapy usually get a dose of more than 20,000 mSv to vital healthy tissue close to the treated tumour. This tissue survives only because the treatment is spread over many days giving healthy cells time for repair or replacement.

In this way, many patients get to enjoy further rewarding years of life, even after many vital organs have received the equivalent of more than 20,000 years' dose at the above internationally recommended annual limit - which makes this limit unreasonable.

A sea-change is needed in our attitude to radiation, starting with education and public information.

Then fresh safety standards should be drawn up, based not on how radiation can be excluded from our lives, but on how much we can receive without harm - mindful of the other dangers that beset us, such as climate change and loss of electric power. Perhaps a new acronym is needed to guide radiation safety - how about As High As Relatively Safe (AHARS)?

Modern reactors are better designed than those at Fukushima - tomorrow's may be better still, but we should not wait. Radioactive waste is nasty but the quantity is small, especially if re-processed. Anyway, it is not the intractable problem that many suppose.

Some might ask whether I would accept it if it were buried 100 metres under my own house? My answer would be: "Yes, why not?" More generally, we should stop running away from radiation.

Wade Allison is a nuclear and medical physicist at the University of Oxford, the author of Radiation and Reason (2009) and Fundamental Physics for Probing and Imaging (2006).

Some of what she says comes across to me as plain crazy, and she is a nuclear and medical physicist at Oxford University. But I bet she is funded by BIG pharma and the Nuclear industry. The citation of th UN Report on Chernobyl would be laughable, if the real result weren't so sad.

03-27-2011, 09:20 PM #390
Shadow Incognito Anonymous
That's the BBC, just more lies and cover up. ğkking shills.

This is really really ğkking sad. Guy says they're evacuating Tokyo. He's getting red spots on his face, doesn't know why and official warning for nobody to use tap water, not even for washing. How the ğck do you evacuate a city of 30 million people? You don't.



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