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The Fukushima Disaster
05-19-2011, 05:00 PM #646
Kreeper Griobhtha
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The future's so glowing bright, I gotta wear shades.

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Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to poor
05-23-2011, 01:02 PM #647
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Quote:Nuclear plant workers suffer internal radiation exposure after visiting Fukushima

Most of the workers who had internal exposure to radiation visited Fukushima after the nuclear crisis broke out following the March 11 quake and tsunami, and apparently inhaled radioactive substances scattered by hydrogen explosions at the Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant.

The revelation has prompted local municipalities in Fukushima to consider checking residents' internal exposure to radiation.

Read it all:mainichi.jp

All that consideration :whew: vic.gif They are so busy solving this eh?

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05-24-2011, 11:38 AM #648
Octo Mother Superior
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Fukushima plant's Nos. 2, 3 reactors also suffered meltdown: TEPCO
TOKYO, May 24, Kyodo

The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power complex said Tuesday that meltdowns are assumed to have occurred in the cores of the Nos. 2 and 3 reactors in addition to the meltdown already confirmed at the No. 1 reactor, but stressed that it believes the melted fuel is being kept cool at the bottom of the pressure vessels.

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/05/92944.html

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05-24-2011, 05:25 PM #649
Accidental Stoner Member
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"it believes"..?

How reassuring.

Jeebuz H Christ.

Love my candles more & more each passing day.
Hm.
Could one build a fireplace on the balcony..?

F**k consumerism!
05-27-2011, 02:37 PM #650
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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05-28-2011, 01:44 AM #651
Octo Mother Superior
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05-28-2011, 09:09 PM #652
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http://enenews.com/ozawa-be-able-live-ja...eriod-time

Quote:Transcript of Interview With Ichiro Ozawa, Wall Street Journal by Yuka Hayashi and Toko Sekiguchi, May 26, 2011:

Japan senior political figure Ichiro Ozawa

[...] Some day we may not be able to live in Japan. There is the possibility that the power plant can reach the state of criticality again. If it explodes, it’s a huge matter. Radiation is being leaked in order to keep the reactors from exploding. So, in this sense, it’s even worse than letting the power plant explode. Radiation is going to be flowing out for a long period of time. This is not a matter of money, but of life and death for the Japanese. If Japan cannot be saved, then the people of Japan are done for. We can always print money. Ultimately the people will have to bear the burden. Government must be determined to put a stop to radioactive pollution no matter what it takes, money or otherwise. The Japanese people must understand the situation. [...]





05-30-2011, 12:32 AM #653
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http://falloutphilippines.blogspot.com/

Quote:Samples from an entire 300 km stretch of seafloor off the Fukushima coast indicate radioactivity 50-100 times higher than normal
As far as 30 kilometers out

Perhaps MEXT realized that Greenpeace was making them look bad by being so conscientious about testing sea life near Dai-ichi, so they conducted their own measurements of the seabed off the coast of Fukushima. From NHK:

Japan's science ministry has detected extraordinarily high levels of radioactive cesium in seafloor samples collected off Miyagi and Ibaraki Prefectures.

Experts say monitoring should be stepped up over a larger area to determine how fish and shell fish are being affected.

The ministry collected samples from 12 locations along a 300-kilometer stretch off Fukushima prefecture's Pacific coast between May 9th and 14th. It hoped to get an idea about the spread of nuclear contamination caused by the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.
Radioactive substances were found in all locations, including those off Miyagi and Ibaraki Prefectures, which had not been previously investigated.

Radioactive cesium 137, measuring 110 becquerels per kilogram or about 100 times the normal level, was found in samples collected from the seabed 30 kilometers off Sendai City and 45 meters beneath the surface.

Samples collected from the seabed 10 kilometers off Mito City and 49 meters beneath the surface measured 50 becquerels or about 50 times the normal level.

Professor Takashi Ishimaru of the Tokyo University of Marine Science and Technology says plankton most probably absorbed the radioactive substances carried by the current near the sea surface, and then sank to the seabed.

He said monitoring must be stepped up over a larger area, as radioactive materials in the seabed do not dissolve quickly, and can accumulate in the bodies of larger fish that eat shrimp and crabs that live on the seafloor.

In light of those findings, the combination of radioactivity in seawater and high tides will pose problems for Miyagi and Ibaraki


I haven't heard any reporting on it yet, but isn't the higher concentrations of isotope in ocean water a cause for concern in Miyagi, Ibaraki and other port areas around Fukushima? Twice a day, every day, the high tide brings in fish and debris right up to the front doorsteps of residents homes.

I would imagine this as a potential health hazard and cause for evacuation. Since they haven't done so yet, maybe they should start investigating amounts of radioactivity in water at high tide. These people tread through it everyday. These communities will face permanent, regular flooding because the Japan earthquake shifted the local geography. Miyagi is 1.2 meters lower than it used to be.
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05-30-2011, 01:34 PM #654
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Quote:UPDATE 22! BAD NEWS! TEPCO: Stabilizing Fukushima Reactors by Year End IMPOSSIBLE!

[quote]"Tokyo Electric Power Co. is coming to the view that it will be impossible to stabilize the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant by the end of this year, senior company officials said Sunday, possibly affecting the timing for the government to consider the return of evacuees to their homes near the plant"
Read more: kyodonews.jp

Now this information surfaced from ex-skf.blogspot.com Who has read the article in it's entirety which BTW, is not available to the general public:
Quote:The Kyodo Japanese article has a bit more information "leaked" by the TEPCO execs:

One executive said "6-9 month time-frame is only a target to strive for, and not a binding one." [So the "roadmap" is a wish-list.]

About the Reactor 1 whose Containment Vessel is now found to be leaking water, "We have to find the leak and stop it. If we don't know the extend of the damage to the Containment Vessel, we don't know how long it takes to stop the leak."

Another exec says "it will take 1 or 2 additional months" to bring the reactors in "cold shutdown" because of the bigger cooling system now envisioned.

Yet another one says "the works at three reactors [1, 2, 3] are not progressing simultaneously, as planned. We'll have to ask workers to work during the New Year holidays."

These executives are no doubt from the TEPCO's Tokyo headquarters and probably the same ones who ordered a fancy "roadmap" at the government's request, not people at Fukushima I Nuke Plant trying to contain the on-going crisis for the past 2 and a half months.

"Cold shutdown", as Kyoto University's Koide has repeatedly said, assumes the Reactor Pressure Vessel intact, and the fuel rods intact. There is no word for bringing the broken reactor with totally melted fuel into a stable condition so that it won't emit any more radiation. There is no established process to do that, particularly when the melted jumble, corium, is possibly eating away the concrete beneath the Containment Vessels.

This is not going to end any time soon, I fear this can not be brought under control.

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05-30-2011, 02:42 PM #655
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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A Letter From A Fukushima Mother

We live 60 kilometers (37 miles) from the plant and our homes have been contaminated beyond levels seen at Chernobyl. The cesium-137 they are finding in the soil will be here for 30 years. But the government will not help us. They tell us to stay put. They tell our kids to put on masks and hats and keep going to school.

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05-30-2011, 03:23 PM #656
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sad2.gif They gave us Kamikaze pilots and suicide if shamed, the value of ones own life seems to be somewhat different there than in the West. Add to that it's a relatively small island, unless they leave completely there will be no where else to go.

The way this is already quietly spiraling out of control is amazing. I've talked to people in the States that had forgotten this was going on due to the medias lack of coverage! wtf2.gif

Frightening, and even worse is that shït is coming down everywhere in the Northern hemisphere to one degree or another.

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05-30-2011, 03:44 PM #657
Octo Mother Superior
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(05-28-2011, 09:09 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  http://enenews.com/ozawa-be-able-live-ja...eriod-time

Quote:Transcript of Interview With Ichiro Ozawa, Wall Street Journal by Yuka Hayashi and Toko Sekiguchi, May 26, 2011:

Japan senior political figure Ichiro Ozawa

[...] Some day we may not be able to live in Japan. There is the possibility that the power plant can reach the state of criticality again. If it explodes, it’s a huge matter. Radiation is being leaked in order to keep the reactors from exploding. So, in this sense, it’s even worse than letting the power plant explode. Radiation is going to be flowing out for a long period of time. This is not a matter of money, but of life and death for the Japanese. If Japan cannot be saved, then the people of Japan are done for. We can always print money. Ultimately the people will have to bear the burden. Government must be determined to put a stop to radioactive pollution no matter what it takes, money or otherwise. The Japanese people must understand the situation. [...]

sad2.gif It's beyond catastrophic and people don't know since it's pretty much kept out of mainstream media gaah.gif

Quote:why do they stay?

dunno.gif even a day of walking could take you to safer ground I would think
06-01-2011, 08:42 AM #658
Accidental Stoner Member
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(05-30-2011, 03:44 PM)Octo Wrote:  
Quote:why do they stay?

dunno.gif even a day of walking could take you to safer ground I would think

Well...heading out goallessly into an unstable country...must be
all sorts of deadly tension beneath the surface, no matter how
stoically the people behave...collapsing society...small children
to take care of...insufficient info...hmm...

Doesn't sound all that easy to just up and go.


There's still something not right with TEPCO's concealment "work".
The question won't go away:
The Communist Russkies were not exactly famed for their effectiveness,
yet they handled Chernobyl pretty quick...Japan, hypermodern
quintessence of almost posthuman efficiency - with the knowhow
and tech of 25 f**king years later - can't accomplish anything even
remotely like it..?!?
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Nowhere to run, cancer rates will rise yet again.
This Fuckushima sheit is going to be just another part of "normal"
background radiation, worldwide.

:sadder:



06-01-2011, 08:14 PM #659
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tepco video feed onsite

http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html

Great thread about fukushima and its fallout.

Learnt a lot of new info,

One person's post stood out in particular

Quote:wotfigo on May 26, 2011 - 10:00pm Permalink | Subthread | Parent | Parent subthread | Comments top

Worse even than that

• The French nuclear watchdog, the Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN) has recommended a further 70,000 people be evacuated from areas contaminated by ongoing nuclear radiation from Fukushima. Well, that’s fine but the IRSN is not the Japanese government & as we know, Japanese people are made of sterner stuff. (But unfortunately their DNA is still good old regular DNA & radiation will damage it).
• Further citizen protests are occurring against government policy of withholding vital radiation data & exposing children to high levels of radiation in Fukushima. The government has said it cannot evacuate Fukushima City with a population of 300,000.
• The government has advised that there is “no immediate likelihood the plant will stop emitting radiation” & that it urges voluntary evacuation from high radiation areas. In other words “each man, woman & child for themselves, you’re on your own. Good luck & God bless”.
• Greenpeace could not find any laboratories in Japan to test their collected samples so they sent the samples to France & Belgium. Results show significant (50 times safe levels) radioactive cesium & iodine in seafood (fish & shellfish) & in seaweed collected from the ocean 50 km from Fukushima. The official line from the Japanese government is that radiation discharged to the ocean will disperse. Tell that to the fish & plankton that absorb it (before passing it up the food chain to humans).
• Highly radioactive water is still leaking from Reactor 3 AND the new onsite water recycling plant. Much of it appears to be going into the ocean but Tepco has not admitted to this.
• Remember Nuclear Annie (Anne Lauvergeon the CEO of French nuclear giant AREVA) riding to the rescue week 2 of this mess. She promised French expertise to help control this disaster (not doing too well in this regard yet). And also promised AREVA would build a water nuclear decontamination plant. Fukushima now has over 85,000 tons of highly radioactive water containing all the goodies like uranium & plutonium. Anyhow the good news is that this facility is on schedule to be completed by late June. The not so good news is that AREVA will charge Tepco USD $2.4 million per ton of water to decontaminate. Hhmm! Let’s see, 85,000 tons by 2.4 Mill equals Oops, my calculator says $204 Billion. Well now even the Japanese government can’t afford that, plus all the other astronomical ongoing expenses of this mess. So guess what this means! More radioactive water going into the ocean. Oh well we are told it does disperse in the mighty Pacific.
• Cesium at 100 times above normal levels now detected at Osaka 300 km from Fukushima
• More independent scientists claiming this week that Fukushima will be worse than Chernobyl in release of radiation
• The amount of highly radioactive water onsite has grown from 70,000 tons a month ago to 87,500 tons now. This is projected to grow to 200,000 tons by December. Now nuclear Annie promised AREVA help in building a water decontamination plant & she has come good on that promise. But the cost of $2.4 M per ton to decontaminate 200,000 tons of “hot” water will mean $489.6 Billion (just shy of half a trillion US dollars). Maybe we will get a bulk discount from Annie.
• Tepco finally came clean & officially advised that nuclear reactors 1, 2 & 3 all melted down. What they haven’t admitted to is that i) nuclear discharge from Fukushima will continue until the melted fuel is removed & ii) that no one knows how to remove the melted nuclear fuel.
READ THAT AGAIN SLOWLY & THINK WHAT IT MEANS
• This will go on for many many months to come, probably years, possibly decades & perhaps forever. The last scenario is a distinct possibility unless the entire world steps in to supply money AND unlimited technical & engineering support to control this disaster. It is patently obvious the disastrous nuclear scenario is beyond the expertise of the entire nation of Japan. The costs of this cleanup will soon be calculated in the Trillions of dollars. Japan, the world’s third largest economy, will not be able to afford to pay for this. And they do not have the technical expertise needed to fix the problem (not sure anyone does at the moment). Now, also, the high levels of radioactive release, especially into the ocean, are becoming an international concern. Japan on its own will NEVER be able to clean this up. Radical thoughts? Yes. Radical disaster? Yes. From Day 1 “we are in uncharted territory”. Sadly, we move deeper into uncharted territory every day.


http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7964

06-02-2011, 08:13 PM #660
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damned.gif Overwhelmingly horrible news. MSM has turned their backs on it to prevent civil unrest.

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