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The Fukushima Disaster
06-12-2011, 03:11 PM #676
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(06-12-2011, 01:51 PM)Octo Wrote:  sad2.gif people are gonna start getting sick pretty soon damned.gif

Head of Fukushima health study: 100 mSv/yr OK for pregnant moms — “Effects of radiation do not come to people that are happy… They come to people that are weak-spirited”

If they're happy they'll be fine but if they get sick it's because they're 'weak-spirited' according to Dr. Shunichi Yamashita, radiological health safety risk management adviser.

blink.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif rofl.gif oh you gotta laugh. sad2.gif
06-12-2011, 03:32 PM #677
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weak-spirited? damned.gif That's one of the more insane statements I've heard sad2.gif
06-12-2011, 03:39 PM #678
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iagree.gif I wonder how that 'doctor' can sleep at night. Why do people believe this shït?
06-12-2011, 03:44 PM #679
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ffs sad2.gif

06-12-2011, 04:16 PM #680
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This sorta breaks my heart sad2.gif

Quote:There were a number of marches in Tokyo, culminating in a rally of an estimated 20,000 people.


20,000???????? In a country of 128 million people, a city of 13 million, only 20,000 showed up? 0.001% of the city and 0.0001% of the country? Ffs why?
06-13-2011, 09:11 AM #681
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Japanese poster on other forum claimed actual number of protesters was higher dunno.gif
but yeah, looks way too small.

Always knew hyperconformist society would run into trouble of this kind.
No quick, innovative solutions - got to bow to the Boss and get the nod first.

Damn, got to hand it to the Russki communists back in Chernobyl - they sure
handled the shituation. But maybe they wouldn't have - or not as quickly - if
the power of the Polit Bureau hadn't been on the decline already dunno.gif

Still no reports of radiation sickness among the general public in Japan...

06-16-2011, 05:17 PM #682
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Quote:EURAD: "The observational data of the CTBTO now show a clear decrease of the worldwide radioactive concentrations outside of Japan. Therefore we now do not continue with the predictions for the northern hemisphere."


This the decreased level -
Quote:This animation displays a potential dispersion of the radioactive cloud (Caesium 137 Isotope) after a nuclear accident in reactor Fukushima I. The continuous release rate is very uncertain, thus the calculations have to be interpreted qualitatively. Dispersion in the near surface level (Level 1), in appr. 2500 m height (Level 12) and in appr. 5000 m height (Level 16).


Other variables on different types of radiation dispersion at the link.
06-16-2011, 10:37 PM #683
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06-17-2011, 08:43 PM #684
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Quote:"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Al Jazeera.

Japan's 9.0 earthquake on March 11 caused a massive tsunami that crippled the cooling systems at the Tokyo Electric Power Company's (TEPCO) nuclear plant in Fukushima, Japan. It also led to hydrogen explosions and reactor meltdowns that forced evacuations of those living within a 20km radius of the plant.

Gundersen, a licensed reactor operator with 39 years of nuclear power engineering experience, managing and coordinating projects at 70 nuclear power plants around the US, says the Fukushima nuclear plant likely has more exposed reactor cores than commonly believed.

"Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed," he said, "You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively."

TEPCO has been spraying water on several of the reactors and fuel cores, but this has led to even greater problems, such as radiation being emitted into the air in steam and evaporated sea water - as well as generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive sea water that has to be disposed of.

"The problem is how to keep it cool," says Gundersen. "They are pouring in water and the question is what are they going to do with the waste that comes out of that system, because it is going to contain plutonium and uranium. Where do you put the water?"

Even though the plant is now shut down, fission products such as uranium continue to generate heat, and therefore require cooling.

"The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen added. "TEPCO announced they had a melt through. A melt down is when the fuel collapses to the bottom of the reactor, and a melt through means it has melted through some layers. That blob is incredibly radioactive, and now you have water on top of it. The water picks up enormous amounts of radiation, so you add more water and you are generating hundreds of thousands of tons of highly radioactive water."

Independent scientists have been monitoring the locations of radioactive "hot spots" around Japan, and their findings are disconcerting.

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl.........."



Arnie Gunderson, sure knows how to give me nightmares. Researching hot particle damage to lungs after inhalation was shocking considering at one point Residents of Tokyo were breathing in 10 hot particles a day, and residents in Seattle were breathing in on average 5 a day. Gunderson discussed this and more in the clip I posted on the other nuclear disaster in the States, which was rated category 4.
06-17-2011, 09:03 PM #685
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Did you guys see this from the 15th:



Could have swum there from somewhere closer to Fuckushima, no..?

Anyway...maybe I'll go sheeple on this and believe danger is over then,
if they say so. Yay.
06-18-2011, 02:34 PM #686
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06-20-2011, 07:10 PM #687
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06-21-2011, 05:36 PM #688
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Quote:By Takao Yamada, Expert Senior Writer, Mainichi Japan
20 June 2011
... One figure who has entered the public spotlight in the wake of the nuclear crisis is 61-year-old Hiroaki Koide, an assistant professor at the Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute and a controversialist in the anti-nuclear debate. A specialist in nuclear power, Koide has garnered attention as a persistent researcher who has sounded the alarm over the dangers of this form of energy without seeking fame.

In a TV Asahi program on June 16, Koide made the following comment:

"As far as I can tell from the announcements made by Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the nuclear fuel that has melted down inside reactors at the Fukushima nuclear plant has gone through the bottom of the containers, which are like pressure cookers, and is lying on the concrete foundations, sinking into the ground below. We have to install a barrier deep in the soil and build a subterranean dam as soon as possible to prevent groundwater contaminated with radioactive materials from leaking into the ocean."

His comment captured public interest and when I asked a high-ranking government official about it, the official said that construction of an underground dam was indeed being prepared. But when I probed further, I found that the project was in limbo due to opposition from TEPCO.

Sumio Mabuchi, an aide to Prime Minister Naoto Kan who is dealing with nuclear power plant issues, holds the same concerns as those expressed by Koide and has sought an announcement on construction of an underground dam, but TEPCO has resisted such a move.

The reason is funding. It would cost about 100 billion yen to build such a dam, but there is no guarantee that the government would cover the amount. If an announcement were made and TEPCO were seen as incurring more liabilities, then its shares would fall once again, and the company might not be able to make it through its next general shareholders' meeting.

In my possession, I have a copy of the guidelines that TEPCO presented to the government on how to handle press releases. The title of the document, dated June 13, is "Underground boundary' -- Regarding the press." It is split into five categories on how to handle the announcement of construction of an underground boundary. In essence, it says, "We are considering the issue under the guidance of prime ministerial aide Mabuchi, but we don't want to be seen as having excess liabilities, so we're keeping the details confidential."

Possibly the silliest response to envisioned questions from reporters is TEPCO's suggestion for a reply to the question, "Why hasn't construction been quickly started?" The response reads: "Underground water flows at a speed of about 5 to 10 centimeters a day, so we have more than a year before it reaches the shore."

Madness Tepco and Japan need to think of people over profit. Sheer madness.
06-21-2011, 05:52 PM #689
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(06-21-2011, 05:36 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  Madness Tepco and Japan need to think of people over profit. Sheer madness.

Tis how things are being run by the fuckers by the wheel of this planet sad2.gif
06-21-2011, 06:07 PM #690
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Short but heart wrenching tv documentary on Fukushima and Chernobyl




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