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12-23-2012, 07:32 PM #1,141
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http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/a...26/1/.html
Japan's incoming pro-nuclear PM "to review Fukushima"

It is nice to see that the Japanese have elected a sensible leader who will review the situation fairly.
12-27-2012, 04:45 PM #1,142
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From your article, tadpole, you will note that the PM states that he will investigate what happened, which was already done and reported, so instead of him saying we will then make a decision based upon the findings, he states that immediately thereafter they will restart the reactors.

This PM reeks of having an agenda to push.
12-27-2012, 09:20 PM #1,143
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(11-27-2012, 04:11 PM)Prometheus Wrote:  This was posted by the creator at enenews

Free online PDF Why DNA and ionizing radiation are a dangerous mix, an expose of the Nuke Industry, by Ace Hoffman. > http://www.acehoffman.org/

http://www.acehoffman.org/books/TheCodeKillers.pdf


Any article that mentions free radicals is a ditsy new age piece.

http://www.aboutnuclear.org/view.cgi?fC=Radiation_and_Radioactivity,Protection_and_Safety_Regulation
"Another way of looking at it is that if there were a cliff one might fall over and die, and normally one lived 1,578 miles away from the cliff, regulations require that we take care if we move 0.06 thousandths of an inch closer to the cliff."


The Health Physics society is recommending the "additional radiation above background" dose limit be raised to 50 mS/y. Some other societies are recommending 100 mS/y since there is no evidence of harm below that level.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889503/
"The projections of thousands of late cancer deaths based on LNT[Linear no threshold], are in conflict with observations that in comparison with general population of Russia, a 15% to 30% deficit of solid cancer mortality was found among the Russian emergency workers, and a 5% deficit solid cancer incidence among the population of most contaminated areas."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70012...tml?pg=all
U.S. National Institute of Health in "Cancer in Populations Living Near Nuclear Facilities" reports, "the survey has produced no evidence that an excess occurrence of cancer has resulted from living near nuclear facilities … the dose from routine operations is generally much below natural background radiation."


(12-27-2012, 04:45 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  From your article, tadpole, you will note that the PM states that he will investigate what happened, which was already done and reported, so instead of him saying we will then make a decision based upon the findings, he states that immediately thereafter they will restart the reactors.

This PM reeks of having an agenda to push.

Unique - we are going to have to agree to disagree because we assess risk/benefit differently.

There is a article I'll post if I find it again. It was about TEPCO's culture of risk management and some of their personnel changes. It examines how the culture of risk management led to the siting and preparation issues that contributed to the reactor incidents. They only did scripted disaster drills and didn't really practice worst case scenarios. The "disaster" they were planning for was more downtime related than safety related.

I've been pretty clear that TEPCO has done a good job since the disaster - but pre-disaster they could have planned better.

http://tepco.socio-j.com/en/overview/cor...alD-e.html
The actual cost of the four damaged reactors surprised me - they cost 240 billion yen. At 360 yen to the dollar (1967) that's $670 million for all four reactors or $3.63 Billion in 2012 dollars.
12-28-2012, 06:16 PM #1,144
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...and he will just ignore what the Japanese people want, as per usual. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.



BTW, this vid was 5 months ago...that's because for some reason the media there is not covering these protests.
12-28-2012, 06:35 PM #1,145
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Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.
12-29-2012, 01:01 AM #1,146
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(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...
12-29-2012, 01:59 AM #1,147
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(12-29-2012, 01:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...


chuckle.gif Hey Tadpole, did you make note of this thread title? ....DISASTER

Geothermal is what the clueless gov't needs to look at.

http://www.freshcurrents.org/blog/2012/0...e-in-2050/
12-29-2012, 09:39 AM #1,148
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(12-29-2012, 01:59 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(12-29-2012, 01:01 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-28-2012, 06:35 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Quote:

One of the more visible anti-nuclear groups is the Metropolitan Coalition Against Nukes, which consists of 13 citizen organizations that arrange demonstrations outside the prime minister’s office every Friday night.

http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaste...1212220007

http://radioactivists.org/

sad2.gif Japanese government and social structure.


When I see an organization doing things like that I think, "those poor ignorant misguided people, don't they have something better to do with their life?"

Your tone surprises me. It almost sounds like you approve of their misdirected efforts...


chuckle.gif Hey Tadpole, did you make note of this thread title? ....DISASTER

Geothermal is what the clueless gov't needs to look at.

http://www.freshcurrents.org/blog/2012/0...e-in-2050/


Most of the article is crap. However - onsen (hot springs) are very common in Japan. which is a volcanic island chain. For local heat and power geothermal makes sense and if there are hot springs the geothermal energy can be practically harvested.

Japan has few natural energy sources - wave generators in the ocean, geothermal on land, and nuclear are Japan's best options. If you have enough energy you can make hydrocarbon fuel from air and water. So as long as they can produce electric power cheaply Japan is in good shape. I don't think they can get away from nuclear - but any source of cost competitive power is a good option.
12-30-2012, 08:56 PM #1,149
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Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?
01-01-2013, 02:21 AM #1,150
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(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.
01-02-2013, 07:30 AM #1,151
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(01-01-2013, 02:21 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.


Who are keeping records?
01-09-2013, 09:42 PM #1,152
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Quote:But the Asahi Shimbun daily reported last week that dirty soil, leaves and water have been dumped directly into rivers. The paper cited workers as saying they were told to sweep only around radiation monitoring sites.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/330...n-up-firms
01-09-2013, 09:50 PM #1,153
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Six U.S. sailors sue Tokyo Electric for $10 M each, plus extra $30M.

Quote:What does the Japanese media think of the US sailors’ claims that they face irreparable harm to the life expectancy and the risk of cancer? Not much. The legal team claims that the eight sailors already suffer from ailments from radiation poisoning, such as internal bleeding and persistent migraines. But they can’t prove these health problems are a result of Fukushima.

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/N...ation.html

01-11-2013, 12:09 AM #1,154
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(01-02-2013, 07:30 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(01-01-2013, 02:21 AM)オタマジャクシ Wrote:  
(12-30-2012, 08:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Qute:

The crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant is far from being resolved," said Ken Koyama, chief economist at the Institute of Energy Economics in Japan, the nation's largest energy think-tank. Tens of thousands of people have been evacuated from areas around the plant, and slow progress in repairing the plant are constant reminders of the dangers of nuclear power, he said. "There's no magic bullet to restore confidence in nuclear power."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...36482.html

Is there such a thing as as safe 40-year old nuclear plant?


As they say (and it is still true).

More people died in the back of Ted Kennedy's car than have died from radiation in US nuclear power plant accidents.


Who are keeping records?


Well, no one really. Ted Kennedy is dead which makes it highly unlikely anyone else will die in the back of his car. I'm not even sure where his car is. Don't know why keeping track of a dead man would be important.

That reminds me of a Gary Hart joke.

"What was Gary Hart's big mistake?"


.................................


"He didn't let Ted drive Donna home!"
01-20-2013, 04:47 PM #1,155
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Almost two years after the awful nuclear disaster occurred, a fish caught near Fukushima on Friday January 18th had a record-breaking level of radioactive contamination over 2500x the legal limit. TEPCO measured 'Mike the Murasoi' at 254,000 becquerels per kilogram (with the limit for edible seafood at 100 becquerels). As Le Monde reports, the previous record (caught on August 21st 2012) was a mere 25,800 becquerels/kg. As further precautions, TEPCO is installing new nets 20km around the Fukushima Daichi site to avoid highly contaminated fish gettig too far and being consumed by other species.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-19...-fukushima

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