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12-21-2013, 01:58 AM #16
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(12-21-2013, 01:30 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(12-21-2013, 01:16 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 11:47 PM)Wayne5 Wrote:  This is ridicule and I want to make it very clear that I have nothing to do with this.
Ridicule is usually where you go when you can't win on the facts. This is not productive.
It does not influence people to examine their views. Bill Maher is the Rush Limbaugh of the left. Both suck.

This is about facts... or rather the denial of facts.

There comes a point where this denial of truth becomes so ludicrous that all one can do make fun of it and laugh... there is no more arguing of point's when one side completely ignores the facts and instead makes up their own ...which time and time again fact checkers prove wrong.

As I requested yesterday, let's see the facts. Lets see the % of "droves" that are actually signed up and paying for this.
Hells fuckie, I'll even accept those who don't qualify and have been pushed into Medicaid. With the stats yesterday, it's still at an abysmal 0.12% sign up rate. You disputed that yet never gave me your stats which justified you using the term "droves"
Let's have some real numbers with real sources my friend.

Are you still using those unreasonable calculations you posted yesterday? Did you miss my response?
(12-20-2013, 01:37 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  You also need to subtract the number of low income people(around 5 million) in red states that don't qualify for medicaid expansion and then there is the number of people who indeed DO GET TO KEEP THEIR PLAN ...and you are also completely ignoring the fact many many people get their insurance through their employers... none of which has changed yet except where some employers have chosen to cancel in advance of the employer mandate.

Really Jay... try to be at least somewhat fair when doing the math.

I expect more from you then these GOP bubble heads.
Are you absolutely sure you are not a GOP bubble head?

...what I was basing my "droves" comment on is that I heard on CNN a comment made about just the other day 60,000 signing up. I was referring to the increased rate of sign ups not the total... This boom however was likely due to the deadline for those wanting insurance by jan 1st. I will keep digging but the new numbers from this month are still coming in.
12-21-2013, 02:18 AM #17
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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(12-21-2013, 01:30 AM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(12-21-2013, 01:16 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  
(12-20-2013, 11:47 PM)Wayne5 Wrote:  This is ridicule and I want to make it very clear that I have nothing to do with this.
Ridicule is usually where you go when you can't win on the facts. This is not productive.
It does not influence people to examine their views. Bill Maher is the Rush Limbaugh of the left. Both suck.

This is about facts... or rather the denial of facts.

There comes a point where this denial of truth becomes so ludicrous that all one can do make fun of it and laugh... there is no more arguing of point's when one side completely ignores the facts and instead makes up their own ...which time and time again fact checkers prove wrong.

As I requested yesterday, let's see the facts. Lets see the % of "droves" that are actually signed up and paying for this.
Hells fuckie, I'll even accept those who don't qualify and have been pushed into Medicaid. With the stats yesterday, it's still at an abysmal 0.12% sign up rate. You disputed that yet never gave me your stats which justified you using the term "droves"
Let's have some real numbers with real sources my friend.

Facts dont matter cuz Bush 37.gif
12-21-2013, 02:23 AM #18
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I wonder what ever became of this guyhttp://kritterbox.com/Forum-Think-Inside...-It-s-FREE

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12-21-2013, 02:27 AM #19
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Here we go:

Back in Action! Almost 60,000 Enrolled in Obamacare Monday & Tuesday Alone
More people signed up for health insurance through the federal exchange website over the past two days than did for the entire first month it was online, according to a report in Politico.

This must have been what I heard? I thought it was more recent... maybe they were rerunning a clip? That is however a very significant amount in such short period of time which would qualify as "droves" ...one would think?

Doesn't include Dec numbers:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11...21797.html
More than two months after Obamacare's ugly debut, the number of Americans using the system is starting to grow: Nearly 1.2 million people are on track to have health coverage in place next year from the law's health insurance exchanges, the Department of Health and Human Services announced Wednesday.

From Oct. 1 through Nov. 30, almost 365,000 people enrolled into private health insurance via the federal and state marketplaces and more than 803,000 were deemed eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, according to the department.

The federally run exchanges in more than 30 states accounted for 137,000 of the enrollments in private coverage, and the remaining states signed up 227,000. About 1.9 million more people had been determined eligible for coverage through the marketplaces, but hadn't yet chosen a health plan. The new data don't include an apparent flurry of enrollments in the early days of December.

İmage

4 hrs ago:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...-coverage/
A new report by The Commonwealth Fund says enrollment in Obamacare’s insurance exchanges has reached at least a half million people,

...so we are up to almost 1.35mil including medicaid expansion enrollees ...5mil more would qualify in red states that refused to expand medicaid that would have raised that number significantly higher.

Now if you happen to have the medicare enrollment numbers and also dig up the number of people who liked their plans and are keeping their plans ...and you need to also factor in the number of people currently enrolled through their employer then perhaps we can get closer to a more realistic percentage then ridiculous one you came up with! ...oh ya! and we can't forget our soldiers who are covered through the VA!!
12-21-2013, 02:35 AM #20
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About 1.9 million more people had been determined eligible for coverage through the marketplaces, but hadn't yet chosen a health plan

...and large amount of people still considering. A significant portion of this number can counted on to sign up eventually.
12-21-2013, 02:44 AM #21
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Common sense vs Propaganda

Common sense - people dont trust the site and people are not happy with paying twice as much as they were promised

Propaganda - everything is great people aare signing up and saving lots of money with better plans
12-21-2013, 03:06 AM #22
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More realistic target number:

The Obama administration boldly vowed to hit its ambitious target of enrolling 7 million through the Obamacare health exchanges, despite new sign-up numbers that show it has a very long way to go to meet this goal...

...It's also far off the pace needed to reach the 7 million total that officials had predicted would be signed up via federal- or state-run insurance marketplaces by the March 31 enrollment deadline for nearly all Americans to have some kind of health coverage or face a tax penalty.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101262522

In light of the botched rollout they still stand by this number.

...But when asked by a reporter whether officials had revised their projections in light of lower-than-expected enrollments to date, a top Obamacare administrator instead boldly doubled-down on the original estimate.

So... if you want to be even more realistic then we are probably looking at a more conservative estimate of 5.5-6mil by march 31st ...and again this target was likely calculated before they knew every single republican state(with one exception if i remember correctly) was going to deny expanded medicaid to low income families/individuals. One could assume based on current new medicaid signups (803,000) in states that did expand ...that this number would have amounted to at least another million out of the 5mil(who would have qualified)...by march31st.
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12-21-2013, 03:17 AM #23
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(12-21-2013, 03:06 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  More realistic target number:

The Obama administration boldly vowed to hit its ambitious target of enrolling 7 million through the Obamacare health exchanges, despite new sign-up numbers that show it has a very long way to go to meet this goal...

...It's also far off the pace needed to reach the 7 million total that officials had predicted would be signed up via federal- or state-run insurance marketplaces by the March 31 enrollment deadline for nearly all Americans to have some kind of health coverage or face a tax penalty.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101262522

In light of the botched rollout they still stand by this number.

...But when asked by a reporter whether officials had revised their projections in light of lower-than-expected enrollments to date, a top Obamacare administrator instead boldly doubled-down on the original estimate.

So... if you want to be even more realistic then we are probably looking at a more conservative estimate of 5.5-6mil by march 31st ...and again this target was likely calculated before they knew every single republican state(with one exception if i remember correctly) was going to deny expanded medicaid to low income families/individuals. One could assume based on current new medicaid signups (803,000) in states that did expand ...that this number would have amounted to at least another million out of the 5mil(who would have qualified)...by march31st.

Have these people made payment or just signed up?
12-21-2013, 03:23 AM #24
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(12-21-2013, 03:06 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  One could assume based on current new medicaid signups (803,000) in states that did expand ...that this number would have amounted to at least another million out of the 5mil(who would have qualified)...by march31st.

The medicaid enrollment time is now,,,this would have been anyway

without Obamacare,,,the majority of the numbers are for medicaid,,,

it is included to make Obamacare look better then it really is...

(:X
12-21-2013, 03:33 AM #25
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-21-2013, 02:27 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  More people signed up for health insurance through the federal exchange website over the past two days than did for the entire first month it was online, according to a report in Politico.

Doesn't include Dec numbers:


From Oct. 1 through Nov. 30, almost 365,000 people enrolled into private health insurance via the federal and state marketplaces and more than 803,000 were deemed eligible for Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program, according to the department.

The new data don't include an apparent flurry of enrollments in the early days of December.

...so we are up to almost 1.35mil including medicaid expansion enrollees ..

the same website is used for medicaid,,,this distorts the numbers,,,

as is the intent,,,

not including Dec...

DECEMBER 11, 2013 AT 9:04 AM

Oregon, once touted as a model for President Obama's health care law, signed up just 44 people for insurance through November, despite spending more than $300 million on its state-based exchange.

But Oregon is a Democratic state that embraced Obamacare early and enthusiastically. Its outreach effort, which included a folk-style music video featuring a singer playing an acoustic guitar against a colorful and scenic backdrop, had been praised among the law's supporters.

And the more than $300 million in federal grant money the state received to build and promote its exchange topped all but two other states - the much more populous New York and California.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/oregon-sig...le/2540529

44 people in November in Oregon,,,

Obamacare software crashed today at noon,,,

as the desperate people try to sign up...

(:X
12-21-2013, 05:17 AM #26
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(12-21-2013, 03:23 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(12-21-2013, 03:06 AM)Not Sure Wrote:  One could assume based on current new medicaid signups (803,000) in states that did expand ...that this number would have amounted to at least another million out of the 5mil(who would have qualified)...by march31st.

The medicaid enrollment time is now,,,this would have been anyway

without Obamacare,,,the majority of the numbers are for medicaid,,,

it is included to make Obamacare look better then it really is...

(:X

Oh clueless misinformed Softy... medicaid expansion IS a part of Obamacare!

33% of those above the poverty line now qualify for medicaid under Obamacare ...except for a couple dozen republican states that refused to implement this federally funded expansion(no added cost burden put on states till 2020 then they are responsible for just 10%)

These numbers don't reflect those below the poverty line who already qualify/have medicaid(that reminds me! ...yet another figure for Jay to factor into his calculation). I am not even sure that you can sign up through the healthcare website if you aren't in the medicaid gap ...I think since the regular medicaid enrollment sites are still up that only only those who are qualified as being within that 33% through the marketplace can be enrolled for expanded medicaid. Normal medicaid enrollment systems still intact... why fix something not broke? and put an extra burden on a site that was having overload problems? ...actually I am certain of it. Medicaid is not a part of the ACA ...only the expanded medicaid program. Website handles that enrollment as it has the qualifying systems built into it.

Separately, 803,077 people have been deemed eligible for the government-run Medicaid or Children's Health Insurance Plan programs through the Obamacare marketplaces.

Informative yet humorous videos explaining medicaid expansion:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-oc.../medican-t
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-oc...er--states
12-21-2013, 05:31 AM #27
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Oh I know it is a part of Obamacare,,,

it all is,,,except for purely private policies,,,

my point is that the medicaid numbers are not part

of the what I will call "regular Obamacare",,,meaning

the part that is not medicaid related,,,these enrollment

numbers taken separately are much much smaller,,,

the enrollment numbers are being quoted including the

medicaid parts to make the "program" look better...

so,,,how about the 44 people in Oregon,,,got anything

different on that???...

(:X
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12-21-2013, 05:48 AM #28
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ObamaCare forcing people into Medicaid

One woman’s demoralizing experience with the ObamaCare website, which her daughter documented in an article this week in The Wall Street Journal, is shining a light on how the health care law is forcing people into Medicaid even if they don’t want it.

After having had her insurance canceled this fall like so many millions of Americans, her mother Charlene sought a new insurance policy on HeathCare.gov. But it gave her only one choice – Medicaid - which is the government's traditional safety net to cover the uninsured poor.

Charlene Hopkins does not see herself as poor and resents having to stoop to what she believes is a taxpayer funded hand-out, when she prides herself on a life of independence and self-sufficiency.



The father owns a $5 million house - entirely paid for. His kids attend expensive private schools. He owns three cars, but because he has earned his fortune and has stopped working , and his wife's new start-up business has yet to produce an income stream, he is considered by the Healthcare.gov website to have no income.

The website put him on Medicaid. He protested in the website's chat area. A screen grab of the dialogue reads: "Let 60 minutes show up in front of my 5 million dollars paid for house and tell America that this guy is on {Medicade} and that the American people are paying {fro} it!"

A navigator replied, "I do understand your frustration, however I have no other options to offer."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/...-medicaid/

(:X
12-21-2013, 05:58 AM #29
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(12-21-2013, 05:31 AM)Softy Wrote:  Oh I know it is a part of Obamacare,,,

it all is,,,except for purely private policies,,,

my point is that the medicaid numbers are not part

of the what I will call "regular Obamacare",,,meaning

the part that is not medicaid related,,,these enrollment

numbers taken separately are much much smaller,,,

the enrollment numbers are being quoted including the

medicaid parts to make the "program" look better...

so,,,how about the 44 people in Oregon,,,got anything

different on that???...

(:X

They aren't being quoted to make it look better!lmao.gif

IT IS PART OF THE PROGRAM!!

...and quit digging up articles with old numbers where they are acting like that matters now! THAT WAS BEFORE THE WEBSITES WERE FIXED!! (and your link doesn't even work)

...now that I am digging I think I am wrong and you can sign up for medicaid under the poverty line through the website. I think they also let you sign up for 33% expanded medicaid through the social security office or medicaid websites.

All things considered this isn't going to tweek the numbers significantly... some might use healthcare.gov to sign up and some might do it another way. If anything (since the vast majority of new medicaid enrollees will be in that 33%) they would LOSE expanded medicaid enrollment numbers since they are ONLY counting what is going through the website! ...so I guess that means the 50-60,000 paper enrollment forms that haven't been processed yet aren't being included in the numbers? Technically those people aren't enrolled yet anyways till they are processed... but there is at least another 40k (if you compensate for people who later signed up online) that should be added to the total.
12-21-2013, 06:00 AM #30
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
December 9, 2013

Federal exchange sends unqualified people to Medicaid

Brokers are reporting that some of their clients are in insurance limbo as they wait for the error to be corrected by HHS or their states.

The federal health care exchange is incorrectly determining that some people are eligible for Medicaid when they clearly are not, leaving them with little chance to get the subsidized insurance they are entitled to as the Dec. 23 deadline for enrollment approaches.

Here's what happens: When consumers applying for insurance put their income information into subsidy calculators on HealthCare.gov — the exchange handling insurance sales for 36 states — it tells them how much financial assistance they qualify for or that they are eligible for Medicaid. If it's the latter, consumers aren't able to obtain subsidies toward the insurance, although they could buy full-priced plans.

Jessica Waltman, top lobbyist for the National Association of Health Underwriters, says she's heard a number of reports from around the country of people making as much as $80,000 a year being told they qualify for Medicaid on HealthCare.gov.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/natio...s/3871113/

the whole thing is a cluster Fekk to the Nth degree...

(:X



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