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10-24-2019, 05:02 AM #226
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(10-23-2019, 09:05 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Probes show reality not computer simulations.

Actually, they supposedly take digital readings, send signals billions  of miles back to earth, where computers convert them to images.

Really, satellites are airplanes and high altitude balloons. The entire space program is a hoax. All participating nations are involved. The ISS would explode if it were surrounded by a vacuum with a torr of 0.00.
Earth's atmosphere would immediately disperse into said vacuum. Space travel is impossible in a vacuum since there is no air pressure to thrust against. The highest altitude reached by heavy rockets is around 20 ro 30 miles. After that point, they all roll, head sideways to crash out of sight in the sea or Siberia.
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10-24-2019, 06:05 AM #227
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(10-24-2019, 05:02 AM)grav Wrote:  Really, satellites are airplanes and high altitude balloons. The entire space program is a hoax. All participating nations are involved. The ISS would explode if it were surrounded by a vacuum with a torr of 0.00.
Earth's atmosphere would immediately disperse into said vacuum. Space travel is impossible in a vacuum since there is no air pressure to thrust against. The highest altitude reached by heavy rockets is around 20 ro 30 miles. After that point, they all roll, head sideways to crash out of sight in the sea or Siberia.


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Are you trying to make peoples heads explode?
So much trvth, So few words. aaah2.gif
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10-24-2019, 08:19 AM #228
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What a fucking DUNCE !!!!! blink.gif
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10-24-2019, 10:50 AM #229
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That's it, operation Grav is a go !
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10-24-2019, 05:31 PM #230
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(10-24-2019, 06:05 AM)Stellah Wrote:  
(10-24-2019, 05:02 AM)grav Wrote:  Really, satellites are airplanes and high altitude balloons. The entire space program is a hoax. All participating nations are involved. The ISS would explode if it were surrounded by a vacuum with a torr of 0.00.
Earth's atmosphere would immediately disperse into said vacuum. Space travel is impossible in a vacuum since there is no air pressure to thrust against. The highest altitude reached by heavy rockets is around 20 ro 30 miles. After that point, they all roll, head sideways to crash out of sight in the sea or Siberia.


Shush...iagree.gif
Are you trying to make peoples heads explode?
So much trvth, So few words. aaah2.gif

Stellah.. Grav's new and latest sock.  rofl.gif

Way to go taking advantage of an unmoded site flat tard.

Octo should kick your ass to the curb like all the other sites you pathetic piece of shit.
10-25-2019, 04:22 AM #231
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I've used Stella Parallax before, as an obvious alias.
I'll guess that Stellah refers to the character in A Streetcar Named Desire.
There's even a Stellah yelling contest in New Orleans, I hear.  chuckle.gif

Brahe, Kepler, etc. were threatened by the establishment, the Pope and his Jesuits, to publish heliocentrism, even when they detected no stellar parallax. The stars refused to budge, month after month, year after year.
Scholars in all disciplines still obey the dogmas of their masters. Publish i  perish. Literally.
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10-25-2019, 05:57 AM #232
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(10-25-2019, 04:22 AM)grav Wrote:  I've used Stella Parallax before, as an obvious alias.
I'll guess that Stellah refers to the character in A Streetcar Named Desire.
There's even a Stellah yelling contest in New Orleans, I hear.  chuckle.gif

Brahe, Kepler, etc. were threatened by the establishment, the Pope and his Jesuits, to publish heliocentrism, even when they detected no stellar parallax. The stars refused to budge, month after month, year after year.
Scholars in all disciplines still obey the dogmas of their masters. Publish i  perish. Literally.
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Why do you need the Stars to be moving ?
10-25-2019, 04:12 PM #233
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Why do I need the stars to move?
What?


Quote:• earth's speed, as it rotates, revolves around the sun, and moves through the universe in 6 different directions (the following details were copied from http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/0...Earth.html 
○ 69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit 
○ 43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis 
○ 15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane 
○ 446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center {or Galactic Spin Rate} 
------------------- 
574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy 
So for every hour, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions… 
[Add] 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. 
[In one year, the earth's Milky Way galaxy travels 11,731,920,000 miles, ~11.5 billion miles] 
• speed and distance of stars, measured in parsecs: "one parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs from the Sun," http://www.bing.com/search?q=parsec&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB 

Everything is moving. Our sun travels inside a traveling show galaxy. In theory.
All the other stars and galaxies are moving millions and billions of mph, which science claims to have measured.

As Brahe noted, we should see some changes over time. But not. Never. Astronomers know this. And they never come into threads like this to explain how the constellations are identical to patterns recorded 6000 years ago.

Occam's razor concludes that the stars move unchanged -- in the same exact formations since the beginning of recorded history.

They are embedded in a roof/dome/firmament/vault/raqia.
In my opinion, the military's "atom" bomb tests from the 50s and 60s were conducted to map or test the dome's construction.
10-25-2019, 06:29 PM #234
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(10-25-2019, 04:12 PM)grav Wrote:  Why do I need the stars to move?
What?


Quote:• earth's speed, as it rotates, revolves around the sun, and moves through the universe in 6 different directions (the following details were copied from http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/0...Earth.html 
○ 69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit 
○ 43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis 
○ 15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane 
○ 446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center {or Galactic Spin Rate} 
------------------- 
574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy 
So for every hour, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions… 
[Add] 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. 
[In one year, the earth's Milky Way galaxy travels 11,731,920,000 miles, ~11.5 billion miles] 
• speed and distance of stars, measured in parsecs: "one parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs from the Sun," http://www.bing.com/search?q=parsec&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB 

Everything is moving. Our sun travels inside a traveling show galaxy. In theory.
All the other stars and galaxies are moving millions and billions of mph, which science claims to have measured.

As Brahe noted, we should see some changes over time. But not. Never. Astronomers know this. And they never come into threads like this to explain how the constellations are identical to patterns recorded 6000 years ago.

Occam's razor concludes that the stars move unchanged -- in the same exact formations since the beginning of recorded history.

They are embedded in a roof/dome/firmament/vault/raqia.
In my opinion, the military's "atom" bomb tests from the 50s and 60s were conducted to map or test the dome's construction.

Occam's razor is a principle of philosophy...not empirical evidence.

Quote:Occam’s razor is complemented by other mental models, including fundamental error distribution, Hanlon’s razor, confirmation bias, availability heuristic and hindsight bias. The nature of mental models is that they tend to all interlock and work best in conjunction.

Quote:Occam’s razor should not be used in the place of logic, scientific methods and personal insights. In the long term, a judgment must be backed by empirical evidence, not just its simplicity. Lisa Randall best expressed the issues with Occam’s razor in her book, Dark Matter and the Dinosaurs: The Astounding Interconnectedness of the Universe:

My second concern about Occam’s Razor is just a matter of fact. The world is more complicated than any of us would have been likely to conceive. Some particles and properties don’t seem necessary to any physical processes that matter—at least according to what we’ve deduced so far. Yet they exist. Sometimes the simplest model just isn’t the correct one.

https://fs.blog/2017/05/mental-model-occams-razor/
10-25-2019, 07:20 PM #235
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Occam is used after we apply logic, empirical evidence, and objective observation.

Accepting any information from Authority is abdication of reason.
Authority (Science) tells us that stars travel .5 million mph and more.
Why should we believe their claims?

Do you realize what calculations result from such insanely radical numbers?

Let's take a low number, our sun's purported speed.
.5 million x 24 = 12 million miles per day. x 365 = 4380 million miles per year.
4,380,000,000 miles and other stars are also moving billions of miles per year in all trajectories. Check my math, please.

And yet constellations remain unchanged over 6000 years.

Forget Occam.
Do the math.
Math, as Tycho Brahe predicted, would have required at least a few stars to show some movement.

Let's not forget that Science also tells us that earth is surrounded by a complete vacuum. Where is their proof?
Science says that gravity is a force which prevents earth's atmosphere from dispersing into their space vacuum. No proof again.
Not only do clouds and air defy gravity and space vacuum, but they also must sync their speeds with earth's alleged movements.
So a single small cloud that appears still in the sky is actually
spinning 1000 mph (at the equator)
orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph
and vortexing through the universe at .5 million mph

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because Occam tells us to Believe Authority?
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10-25-2019, 07:29 PM #236
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(10-25-2019, 07:20 PM)grav Wrote:  Occam is used after we apply logic, empirical evidence, and objective observation.

Accepting any information from Authority is abdication of reason.
Authority (Science) tells us that stars travel .5 million mph and more.
Why should we believe their claims?

Do you realize what calculations result from such insanely radical numbers?

Let's take a low number, our sun's purported speed.
.5 million x 24 = 12 million miles per day. x 365 = 4380 million miles per year.
4,380,000,000 miles and other stars are also moving billions of miles per year in all trajectories. Check my math, please.

And yet constellations remain unchanged over 6000 years.

Forget Occam.
Do the math.
Math, as Tycho Brahe predicted, would have required at least a few stars to show some movement.

Let's not forget that Science also tells us that earth is surrounded by a complete vacuum. Where is their proof?
Science says that gravity is a force which prevents earth's atmosphere from dispersing into their space vacuum. No proof again.
Not only do clouds and air defy gravity and space vacuum, but they also must sync their speeds with earth's alleged movements.
So a single small cloud that appears still in the sky is actually
spinning 1000 mph (at the equator)
orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph
and vortexing through the universe at .5 million mph

[Image: solar%2Bsystem%2Bspiral%2Bvortex%2Bhelical%2Bmotion.gif]

because Occam tells us to Believe Authority?

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10-25-2019, 07:39 PM #237
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(10-25-2019, 07:29 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(10-25-2019, 07:20 PM)grav Wrote:  Occam is used after we apply logic, empirical evidence, and objective observation.

Accepting any information from Authority is abdication of reason.
Authority (Science) tells us that stars travel .5 million mph and more.
Why should we believe their claims?

Do you realize what calculations result from such insanely radical numbers?

Let's take a low number, our sun's purported speed.
.5 million x 24 = 12 million miles per day. x 365 = 4380 million miles per year.
4,380,000,000 miles and other stars are also moving billions of miles per year in all trajectories. Check my math, please.

And yet constellations remain unchanged over 6000 years.

Forget Occam.
Do the math.
Math, as Tycho Brahe predicted, would have required at least a few stars to show some movement.

Let's not forget that Science also tells us that earth is surrounded by a complete vacuum. Where is their proof?
Science says that gravity is a force which prevents earth's atmosphere from dispersing into their space vacuum. No proof again.
Not only do clouds and air defy gravity and space vacuum, but they also must sync their speeds with earth's alleged movements.
So a single small cloud that appears still in the sky is actually
spinning 1000 mph (at the equator)
orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph
and vortexing through the universe at .5 million mph

[Image: solar%2Bsystem%2Bspiral%2Bvortex%2Bhelical%2Bmotion.gif]

because Occam tells us to Believe Authority?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7yvvq-9ytE

Watch 3 uneducated flat earth fools getting owned by 3 scientists, 2 of which are American bible thumpers, I need not say what group.  rofl.gif

Grav, give it up, nobody is going to join your cult, just relax and try to enjoy life for a change.
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10-25-2019, 11:18 PM #238
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(10-25-2019, 04:12 PM)grav Wrote:  Why do I need the stars to move?
What?


Quote:• earth's speed, as it rotates, revolves around the sun, and moves through the universe in 6 different directions (the following details were copied from http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/0...Earth.html 
○ 69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit 
○ 43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis 
○ 15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane 
○ 446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center {or Galactic Spin Rate} 
------------------- 
574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy 
So for every hour, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions… 
[Add] 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. 
[In one year, the earth's Milky Way galaxy travels 11,731,920,000 miles, ~11.5 billion miles] 
• speed and distance of stars, measured in parsecs: "one parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs from the Sun," http://www.bing.com/search?q=parsec&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB 

Everything is moving. Our sun travels inside a traveling show galaxy. In theory.
All the other stars and galaxies are moving millions and billions of mph, which science claims to have measured.

As Brahe noted, we should see some changes over time. But not. Never. Astronomers know this. And they never come into threads like this to explain how the constellations are identical to patterns recorded 6000 years ago.

Occam's razor concludes that the stars move unchanged -- in the same exact formations since the beginning of recorded history.

They are embedded in a roof/dome/firmament/vault/raqia.
In my opinion, the military's "atom" bomb tests from the 50s and 60s were conducted to map or test the dome's construction.

And NO mention anywhere that states the other Stars move, relative to their positions in the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy they reside !
10-25-2019, 11:57 PM #239
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(10-25-2019, 11:18 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(10-25-2019, 04:12 PM)grav Wrote:  Why do I need the stars to move?
What?


Quote:• earth's speed, as it rotates, revolves around the sun, and moves through the universe in 6 different directions (the following details were copied from http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/0...Earth.html 
○ 69,361 MPH Spin and Orbit 
○ 43,200 MPH Towards Lambda Herculis 
○ 15,624 MPH Perpendicular to Galactic Plane 
○ 446,400 MPH Orbiting the Galactic Center {or Galactic Spin Rate} 
------------------- 
574,585 MPH Speed of Earth within Our Galaxy 
So for every hour, your planet is moving half a million miles, and in several directions… 
[Add] 1,339,200 MPH to the calculations. This is the speed the galaxy is moving through the universe. 
[In one year, the earth's Milky Way galaxy travels 11,731,920,000 miles, ~11.5 billion miles] 
• speed and distance of stars, measured in parsecs: "one parsec is equal to about 3.26 light-years (31 trillion kilometres or 19 trillion miles) in length. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is about 1.3 parsecs from the Sun," http://www.bing.com/search?q=parsec&PC=SMSM&FORM=MBDPSB 

Everything is moving. Our sun travels inside a traveling show galaxy. In theory.
All the other stars and galaxies are moving millions and billions of mph, which science claims to have measured.

As Brahe noted, we should see some changes over time. But not. Never. Astronomers know this. And they never come into threads like this to explain how the constellations are identical to patterns recorded 6000 years ago.

Occam's razor concludes that the stars move unchanged -- in the same exact formations since the beginning of recorded history.

They are embedded in a roof/dome/firmament/vault/raqia.
In my opinion, the military's "atom" bomb tests from the 50s and 60s were conducted to map or test the dome's construction.

And NO mention anywhere that states the other Stars move, relative to their positions in the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy they reside !

Say what?
no mention that other stars move?????
So what do they do all day? Hang around in one spot all day, every, day, every millennium?
10-26-2019, 04:16 PM #240
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I consider the astronauts/cosmonauts who venture into space as being witnesses, not authority; our blue marble (marbles are round).

Quote:Seeing cameras turn around in a live feed of Earth for the first time - even for viewers at home - was absolutely life-changing. The iconic "Earthrise" image was snapped by astronaut Bill Anders.

Until that point, no human eyes had ever seen our blue marble from space.

https://www.sciencealert.com/when-astron...here-s-how



They describe it as a blue marble (round) and a beautiful blue/green ball (also round).

“When they came back to me a few weeks later, they said, “Well, in the ancient literature we found a description called ‘savikalpa samadhi’. That means that you see things as you see them with your eyes, but you experience them emotionally and viscerally, as with ecstasy, and a sense of total unity and oneness.”

When Virgin Galactic and Blue Origin start selling seats to the academic scientists, students etc. and, hopefully soon thereafter, the general rich public we will then have many more witnesses which also are not the mind programmers of society. These witnesses will no doubt be taking recordings and pics using their own equipment, so there will be no digital mumbo jumbo counterpoints that can be made by flat earthers.



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