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The Venus Project
09-15-2014, 04:48 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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http://www.thevenusproject.com/faq#faqnoanchor

"One thing that is very rarely considered when dealing with the issue of population is the inefficiencies of our current socio-economic systems ability to cater for the needs of all people. Its far easier for those in power and those conditioned by this system, especially those in established academia to blame the state of the world on a growing population rather than on an archaic socio-economic system and a global value system based on infinite consumption on a planet with finite resources.
We don't have an over population problem, we have a failure to intelligently distribute our existing resources, and a value system disorder that wastes those resources at unsustainable levels.
In a RBE, we would no longer have this inefficiency, and the values of those who adopt this system would be the complete opposite of consumerism, people would understand, appreciate and consider the available resources of the planet over and above their material desires. We would be utilizing our resources effectively, efficiently and we would be producing goods that last, and would be designed with product cycle in mind, and be made recyclable where possible.
Correctly managed, our current state of resources on this planet would more than cater for the current population, and many times that, and at a much higher standard of living for all the worlds 7 billion people and this ability to cater for a growing population would only increase as our technical ability to create an abundance increases, combined with relevant education as to the impact child birthrates have on the resources available to care for the population, as well as complete freedom to be educated in any field, to travel anywhere in the world, and to take part in any activities that interest us, people will be far less likely to want to stay at home and raise families. It is no surprise that the highest birthrates are in the countries that have the least education, and the least social and economic opportunities available to the people of that country, combined with high income inequality."
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09-15-2014, 06:56 PM #2
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
it isn't revolutionary... back in the days people used to call it "communism" instead of "venus project"... but as a communist i'd like to see this shït realized within my lifetime.

hopefully one day people will learn that capitalism is bad for them. really bad. an evil inhuman slave system in which all people try to climb at the top of each other towards the apex of the grand pyramid.^^ (ok not everybody tries to climb upwards - some people are happy with their current position and therefore just try to kick others down)
09-15-2014, 07:16 PM #3
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I don't see the Venus Project as communism, rather a self-governing behavioural way of community that hasn't been tried yet, from what I can ascertain.
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09-15-2014, 07:26 PM #4
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(09-15-2014, 07:16 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I don't see the Venus Project as communism, rather a self-governing behavioural way of community that hasn't been tried yet, from what I can ascertain.

read marx and tell me that the venus project isn't communism 2.0 - an upgrade with futuristic buildings and other fancy stuff.
the world has yet to see communism. those systems that were implemented in the eastern bloc etc. were anything but communism or socialism.

btw mute your vid and start it as soon as the following soundtrack starts playing:





fits perfectly imo. lol.gif
09-15-2014, 10:39 PM #5
Cynicalabsurdance Member
Posts:8,243 Threads:191 Joined:Feb 2011
Ever increasing expansionism of a dead consciousness ,

focal on self aggrandizement through exploitation of the Natural resources of areas

occupied by humans whom lacked a drive to feed their greed , created the system

we now exist with .

Problem noted .

How to cure it ?

Answer is easy .

Will it happen ?

NOT EVER !

Reason being ?

Easy once again ,,,

We can depend on Humans to always perform human deeds in a very Human way .

Shall we Rally around another Flag and support another endeavor to
improve what we spoiled once we obtained it ?

Recall that Thew intent of the First Western Contact was to gain wealth ,
Then to convert savages to a civilized people .

How did it work out ?

Simple , the Savages already had what the Venus project seeks .

500 years later ,,,

The Venus Project wants it back .

Good luck changing back what 500 years of STUPID drove into the ground
and buried forever .

Of all the movements that have raised their heads since the first contact ,
NONE lasted , none achieved , nothing succeeded .

It was here in the Americas before first Contact with Western Civilization ,
however ,,,,

it is at times impossible to stop a disease ,,,
Especially a Disease , that waste so much of it's resources to obtain
advanced self survival weapons .


Again : " Ever increasing expansionism of a DEAD Consciousness "
09-15-2014, 10:46 PM #6
Accidental Stoner Member
Posts:8,797 Threads:70 Joined:Feb 2011
Interesting.

I don't own much anything,
live from gig to gig,
don't care all that much for material things,
just...live small...

....but "communism" still creeps me the fekk out.

A human being needs something to call her own,
some safe place to call "my home". The right to
enjoy the fruits of her own labour.

Hmm.
09-16-2014, 12:33 AM #7
Octo Mother Superior
Posts:42,572 Threads:1,469 Joined:Feb 2011
Who is going to pay for all these futuristic dwellings? 13.gif

It seems awfully fancy. I makes me want to run away screaming. Don't make me conform! aaah2.gif
09-16-2014, 03:29 PM #8
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:14,881 Threads:420 Joined:Jun 2012
I suppose you all have good points, because if this type of behavioural community was doable, it should have been done by now.

Any way, a facsimilie of this movement is in practice today and is known as 'eco-communal living', and not so grandiose as the Venus Project, but this is the way to go, in my opinion - that is, if you can find the 'glue' (the magic binding ingredients that keep a community together and healthy and strong).

09-16-2014, 03:52 PM #9
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
Posts:31,262 Threads:1,438 Joined:Feb 2011
(09-15-2014, 10:46 PM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  Interesting.

I don't own much anything,
live from gig to gig,
don't care all that much for material things,
just...live small...

....but "communism" still creeps me the fekk out.

A human being needs something to call her own,
some safe place to call "my home". The right to
enjoy the fruits of her own labour.

Hmm.

The only true wide spread communism happened in the States within rural farm communities. They raised each others houses and barns farmed hunted weaved, educated the children, bartered and traded goods for services.
That's not the former Soviet Union, or Cuba back in Fidel 13.gif days.
Those were dictatorships under the guise of communism as feudalism is to democracy zombie.gif

(09-16-2014, 12:33 AM)Octo Wrote:  Who is going to pay for all these futuristic dwellings? 13.gif

It seems awfully fancy. I makes me want to run away screaming. Don't make me conform! aaah2.gif

It's the illegitimate love child of Karl Marx and L Ron Hubbard.

wonder.gif
09-16-2014, 04:06 PM #10
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
Posts:14,881 Threads:420 Joined:Jun 2012
(09-16-2014, 03:52 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  
(09-15-2014, 10:46 PM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  Interesting.

I don't own much anything,
live from gig to gig,
don't care all that much for material things,
just...live small...

....but "communism" still creeps me the fekk out.

A human being needs something to call her own,
some safe place to call "my home". The right to
enjoy the fruits of her own labour.

Hmm.

The only true wide spread communism happened in the States within rural farm communities. They raised each others houses and barns farmed hunted weaved, educated the children, bartered and traded goods for services.
That's not the former Soviet Union, or Cuba back in Fidel 13.gif days.
Those were dictatorships under the guise of communism as feudalism is to democracy zombie.gif

(09-16-2014, 12:33 AM)Octo Wrote:  Who is going to pay for all these futuristic dwellings? 13.gif

It seems awfully fancy. I makes me want to run away screaming. Don't make me conform! aaah2.gif

It's the illegitimate love child of Karl Marx and L Ron Hubbard.

That's true, with these types of behavioural - or eco-communities there are, supposedly, no leaders, except if one person owns all the land and 'allows' or 'invites' others to live there too. So, AS, is right...everyone needs to be the master of their land/home, their destiny, their life.



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