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The six Emotional Arcs of Storytelling
07-09-2016, 02:05 PM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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Data Mining Reveals the Six Basic Emotional Arcs of Storytelling

Scientists at the Computational Story Laboratory have analyzed novels to identify the building blocks of all stories.

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The results make for interesting reading. Reagan and co say that their techniques all point to the existence of six basic emotional arcs that form the building blocks of more complex stories. They are also able to identify the stories that are the best examples of each arc.

The six basic emotional arcs are these:

A steady, ongoing rise in emotional valence, as in a rags-to-riches story such as Alice’s Adventures Underground by Lewis Carroll. A steady ongoing fall in emotional valence, as in a tragedy such as Romeo and Juliet. A fall then a rise, such as the man-in-a-hole story, discussed by Vonnegut. A rise then a fall, such as the Greek myth of Icarus. Rise-fall-rise, such as Cinderella. Fall-rise-fall, such as Oedipus.

Finally, the team looks at the correlation between the emotional arc and the number of story downloads to see which types of arc are most popular. It turns out the most popular are stories that follow the Icarus and Oedipus arcs and stories that follow more complex arcs that use the basic building blocks in sequence. In particular, the team says the most popular are stories involving two sequential man-in-hole arcs and a Cinderella arc followed by a tragedy.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/60184...rytelling/

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07-09-2016, 02:09 PM #2
Kanigo2 Member
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(07-09-2016, 02:05 PM)Octo Wrote:  Data Mining Reveals the Six Basic Emotional Arcs of Storytelling

Scientists at the Computational Story Laboratory have analyzed novels to identify the building blocks of all stories.

<snip>
The results make for interesting reading. Reagan and co say that their techniques all point to the existence of six basic emotional arcs that form the building blocks of more complex stories. They are also able to identify the stories that are the best examples of each arc.

The six basic emotional arcs are these:

A steady, ongoing rise in emotional valence, as in a rags-to-riches story such as Alice’s Adventures Underground by Lewis Carroll. A steady ongoing fall in emotional valence, as in a tragedy such as Romeo and Juliet. A fall then a rise, such as the man-in-a-hole story, discussed by Vonnegut. A rise then a fall, such as the Greek myth of Icarus. Rise-fall-rise, such as Cinderella. Fall-rise-fall, such as Oedipus.

Finally, the team looks at the correlation between the emotional arc and the number of story downloads to see which types of arc are most popular. It turns out the most popular are stories that follow the Icarus and Oedipus arcs and stories that follow more complex arcs that use the basic building blocks in sequence. In particular, the team says the most popular are stories involving two sequential man-in-hole arcs and a Cinderella arc followed by a tragedy.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/60184...rytelling/

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Post the Kurt Vonnegut video Octo.....funniest part of the article:)

(5 extra points for us being on the same wavelength)
07-09-2016, 02:15 PM #3
Kanigo2 Member
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On the down low ...I've been telling folks my issue with most movies.

In a VERY HIGH number of movies, the lead actor loses his mate/wife/love concern(although it's usually the WIFE)

and only really started noticing it when I became HYPERSENSITIVE TO IT...for reasons you all know and understand.

Without further ado, some examples.
The Punisher
Gladiator
And even

Up(a Disney movie)
Old mans wife dies in the first scene ...so he builds a balloon house.

But it's much much more prevalent....now they use women's deaths as counter spins in movies/TV shows.

To me.....each one is another punch in the gut.(Hypersensitivity)
07-09-2016, 02:20 PM #4
Kanigo2 Member
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Same article made the daily mail, Octo...I see you went right to MIT PAPER
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...lling.html

I realized you didn't know what I was speaking about.

None the less, without further ado...

Kurt Vonnegut



Enjoy:(
07-09-2016, 02:22 PM #5
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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It's difficult to grasp that all story lines fall into one of six categories.
A script that seems complex and innovative is just more of the same.

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07-09-2016, 02:24 PM #6
Kanigo2 Member
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(07-09-2016, 02:22 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's difficult to grasp that all story lines fall into one of six categories.
A script that seems complex and innovative is just more of the same.

Watch Kurts video Jay... He makes a complete mockery of this study...and everything in general about writing stories.

I promise, it's 4 minutes that you won't ask for your money back.
07-09-2016, 02:35 PM #7
Octo Mother Superior
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07-09-2016, 03:15 PM #8
Kreeper Griobhtha
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It makes sense though. But what other possibilities are there? And emotional roller coaster? Screw that. They suck. A flat line? Pffftttt... boring documentary.

It's all about emotional manipulation

I am speaking of the life of a man who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children; who has undertaken to cherish it and do it no damage, not because he is duty-bound, but because he loves the world and loves his children… - Wendell Berry, 1971
07-09-2016, 05:00 PM #9
K-2 Incognito Anonymous
 
here is another webpage on Frank Zappa that is uhh... right along the same vien/although an alternate view.

depends on how esoteric you want to get to make that relationship....

https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/onli...s-a-freak/

“They write about me like I’m a maniac. I’m not . . . I’m forty years old, I’ve got four kids, a house, and a mortgage.”
07-09-2016, 05:03 PM #10
Octo Mother Superior
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(07-09-2016, 02:24 PM)Kanigo2 Wrote:  
(07-09-2016, 02:22 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's difficult to grasp that all story lines fall into one of six categories.
A script that seems complex and innovative is just more of the same.

Watch Kurts video Jay... He makes a complete mockery of this study...and everything in general about writing stories.

I promise, it's 4 minutes that you won't ask for your money back.

No he doesn't. There are many models and graphs to describe different aspects of storytelling.

As he says: "There's no reason why shapes of stories can't be fed into computers, they are beautiful shapes."

This study focused on emotional response using computers.

Bottom line, the formulas used telling a story are not that many and if we're not familiar with the format of the story we don't like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure
07-09-2016, 05:04 PM #11
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Is someone writing a story (book)?
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07-09-2016, 05:41 PM #12
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(07-09-2016, 05:03 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(07-09-2016, 02:24 PM)Kanigo2 Wrote:  
(07-09-2016, 02:22 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  It's difficult to grasp that all story lines fall into one of six categories.
A script that seems complex and innovative is just more of the same.

Watch Kurts video Jay... He makes a complete mockery of this study...and everything in general about writing stories.

I promise, it's 4 minutes that you won't ask for your money back.

No he doesn't. There are many models and graphs to describe different aspects of storytelling.

As he says: "There's no reason why shapes of stories can't be fed into computers, they are beautiful shapes."

This study focused on emotional response using computers.

Bottom line, the formulas used telling a story are not that many and if we're not familiar with the format of the story we don't like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dramatic_structure

was he not mocking?
its as if you knew the story.

hence the reason for the Zappa link, Octo.

there are other ways to begin and end a story.



/At the time (after WW2 to the mid 70s there were many college educated authors writing to a "thinking audience"
It became "in vogue-"BESTSELLING" to tell storys by alternating timelines.
(jumping around in the midst of a story to a point in the past or future based on a single characters narrative)

in effect, no end or beginning, when did the beginning start, halfway through the story?
And whats worse you already know what happens to all the characters....whos the antagonist or protagonist... victims and heros.

it was an attempt to BREAK this linear style of story writing in popular culture and to create a familiarization between the characters of the story.

An alterate meathod was to simply make everyone the badguy-nobody gets the girl-nobody wins, they are all ugly sinners on a path to death.

authors that promoted and sold this style:
Kurt Vonnegut
Harold Robbins
Jeffrey Kluger


I am simply saying Octo that all of these authors in that period knew of all these story structures...and created, looked for and look for ideas that transcended it.


you have to give them a little credit, all they at the time were war documentaries, prewar movies(gone with the wind) , Vaudeville and Cowboy flicks. (and VAST amounts of state sanctioned propaganda)


“The Way of Mastery is to break all the rules—but you have to know them perfectly before you can do this; otherwise you are not in a position to transcend them.”
― Aleister Crowley

The only guy I see even trying anymore is Quentin Tarantino
07-09-2016, 06:54 PM #13
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(07-09-2016, 05:04 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Is someone writing a story (book)?

i wondered that too lol

Just Plain Nuts.
07-09-2016, 07:28 PM #14
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(07-09-2016, 06:54 PM)Coolchick Wrote:  
(07-09-2016, 05:04 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Is someone writing a story (book)?

i wondered that too lol

I am still thinking whether or not to take writing courses at night college...I don't want to regurgitate what everyone else has and is doing - no originality any more. I was even bored with Margaret Atwood's latest works. well chat with ya later, off to the beach we go.
07-09-2016, 07:39 PM #15
Coolchick Member
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isnt margaret atwood a little.. depressing?

lol

never really got into her stuff much.

i like original writing as well.
i think the best way to write a good story is simply to tell about something
you are passionate about.

then it just comes naturally as opposed to 'making up' a story.

Just Plain Nuts.



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