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Tired of living.
12-08-2014, 05:58 PM #1
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Within the last two months, two people, close to me, have told me that they are tired of living and were contemplating suicide. I think I managed to convince them to keep going because other people and their pets need them and love them. I will keep an eye on them and keep reminding them that they are important in others' lives.

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12-08-2014, 06:05 PM #2
Octo Mother Superior
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Oh noes! That they actually told you this suggests they're not going to do it, just asking for help and support, which you apparently provided.

I hope they hang in there, it must weigh heavy on you as well. sad2.gif
12-08-2014, 06:06 PM #3
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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*sigh* Jaydoom and I just had this conversation over the phone last night about our singer that opted for the long term solution to short term problems.
It's still very much affecting us to this day, and probably always will.
It's the folks left behind that it kills sad2.gif His mother passed shortly thereafter. Broken hearts are real US. This type of scenario creates a butterfly effect that goes to unimaginable depths.

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12-08-2014, 06:15 PM #4
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Oh they've decided to join my club...the million people a year suicide jamboree...while ten to twenty million others try to die but fail...the first attempt...every damn year...ya know...i know my soul is old I can feel its ancient age and its soooooooo very sick and tired and detached from this materialism enslaved world of withering illusions and denial and war and greed...every morning and day and night is a drag myself through it pain filled experience...not relentless physical agony...but continuous mental and spiritual anguish...always crucified alive upon the almighty evil dollar bill...forced to live trapped in a rat race to nowhere and nothing...at least I know I'm a pisces and when I die this time around I aint coming back anymore...I know I'm not returning again...the ultimate release...onwards and upwards towards nirvana I will continue to ascend forever...

12-08-2014, 06:26 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Thanks for the support guys because it really does weigh heavily on me because, even though I try very hard to be strong for myself and others, I am a very caring and emotional person and maybe a little selfish because I don't want them to leave me.

I will keep close to them and let's hope that idea (suicidal people seeking help usually don't do it) holds true.

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12-08-2014, 06:28 PM #6
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Quote: "Shapes of things before my eyes Just teach me to despise Will time make men more wise?

Here within my lonely frame My eyes just hurt my brain But will it seem the same?

Come tomorrow will I be older? Come tomorrow maybe a soldier Come tomorrow may I be bolder than today?

Now the trees are almost green But will they still be seen When time and tide have been?

Falling into your passing hands Please don't destroy these lands Don't make them desert sands

Come tomorrow will I be older? Come tomorrow maybe a soldier Come tomorrow may I be bolder than today?

Soon I hope that I will find Thoughts deep within my mind That won't disgrace my kind"
12-08-2014, 06:33 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(12-08-2014, 06:06 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  *sigh* Jaydoom and I just had this conversation over the phone last night about our singer that opted for the long term solution to short term problems.
It's still very much affecting us to this day, and probably always will.
It's the folks left behind that it kills sad2.gif His mother passed shortly thereafter. Broken hearts are real US. This type of scenario creates a butterfly effect that goes to unimaginable depths.

Sorry to hear that JR...my condolences to you both. Do you think your singer friend had deep depression issues? It's just that one of the persons may be mildly depressed and does not drink alcohol nor take any drugs, the other has bipolar/depression issues and is taking medication, but also does not drink alcohol nor take any illegal drugs. Also, these are middle-aged to senior aged women, which to me tells me they should have their stuff together at this point in life, so it does scare me when they mention taking their lives; they even told me how they would do it...very explicit and well planned out.
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12-08-2014, 06:53 PM #8
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well the normal procedure would be to call whoever you have to call in your country to commit them to the next psychiatry. doesn't necessarily have to be a closed ward... half closed (? dunno the correct english term) would also do the job.
get them on anti depressants and under observation.

lol.gif i know this sounds harsh but it's the right thing to do. they're probably going to hate you.^^ or maybe thank you.^^ hard to tell. differs from person to person.

okay you could try to make them visit a neurologist/psychiatrist but as soon as they talk about suicidal thoughts that doc is going to do what i described above (mainly because taking anti depressants during a suicidal episode might increase suicidal tendencies 13.gif).
that "people who talk about suicide aren't going to actually do it" myth is bullshit. i've seen people talk about suicide and then they jumped out of the only unsecured open window of the ward.^^
12-08-2014, 07:06 PM #9
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"Manic depression is touching my soul i know what i want but i just dont know

Woman so weary the sweet cause in vain you make love you break love its all the same"

12-08-2014, 07:08 PM #10
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(12-08-2014, 06:33 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(12-08-2014, 06:06 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  *sigh* Jaydoom and I just had this conversation over the phone last night about our singer that opted for the long term solution to short term problems.
It's still very much affecting us to this day, and probably always will.
It's the folks left behind that it kills sad2.gif His mother passed shortly thereafter. Broken hearts are real US. This type of scenario creates a butterfly effect that goes to unimaginable depths.

Sorry to hear that JR...my condolences to you both. Do you think your singer friend had deep depression issues? It's just that one of the persons may be mildly depressed and does not drink alcohol nor take any drugs, the other has bipolar/depression issues and is taking medication, but also does not drink alcohol nor take any illegal drugs. Also, these are middle-aged to senior aged women, which to me tells me they should have their stuff together at this point in life, so it does scare me when they mention taking their lives; they even told me how they would do it...very explicit and well planned out.

I'd say 10% was depression, and 90% was drugs. İmage

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12-08-2014, 07:10 PM #11
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Most drug addicts and alcoholics as well are trying in vain desperation to escape their terrible realities, too much to bare and too hard to face alone, usually childhood traumas inflicted upon them during too highly impressionable and too easily vulnerable young ages by cold hearted self centered uncaring unloving parents, who treat their kids like the screwing around accidents they know they were and still are, as if they're seen and heard as being one step away from the walking talking abortions they almost became and thats why around eighty percent of imprisoned people were raised like wolves in broken homes and strike out damned against a robotic society with emotional anguish and rage and violence and robbery and arson and drug dealing and drug using and murder and rape and suicide and then instead of facing our real problems, they are ruthlessly hurled into steel cages away from the sights and out of the minds of a human civilization lost and trapped in greed driven denial, from out of our head warped cradles and into our mind twisted graves and like it or not admit it or not, lets try and never forget to remember that those doomed people are keeping the f###en schutzstaffel emulating police and the f###en gestapo emulating drug enforcement agency in business every sad and sorry morning and day and night of our lonely crucified alive years..

12-08-2014, 07:34 PM #12
Octo Mother Superior
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(12-08-2014, 06:53 PM)failboat Wrote:  well the normal procedure would be to call whoever you have to call in your country to commit them to the next psychiatry. doesn't necessarily have to be a closed ward... half closed (? dunno the correct english term) would also do the job.
get them on anti depressants and under observation.

lol.gif i know this sounds harsh but it's the right thing to do. they're probably going to hate you.^^ or maybe thank you.^^ hard to tell. differs from person to person.

okay you could try to make them visit a neurologist/psychiatrist but as soon as they talk about suicidal thoughts that doc is going to do what i described above (mainly because taking anti depressants during a suicidal episode might increase suicidal tendencies 13.gif).
that "people who talk about suicide aren't going to actually do it" myth is BS. i've seen people talk about suicide and then they jumped out of the only unsecured open window of the ward.^^

I have to agree with failboat here about contacting someone regarding this. If they actually go through with their plans you'll feel horrible for not doing everything to prevent it. Yeah, they may hate you for it, but if they've made detailed plans how to do it it's quite disturbing. You can't carry this by yourself, or you shouldn't have to.
12-08-2014, 07:42 PM #13
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(12-08-2014, 07:34 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(12-08-2014, 06:53 PM)failboat Wrote:  well the normal procedure would be to call whoever you have to call in your country to commit them to the next psychiatry. doesn't necessarily have to be a closed ward... half closed (? dunno the correct english term) would also do the job.
get them on anti depressants and under observation.

lol.gif i know this sounds harsh but it's the right thing to do. they're probably going to hate you.^^ or maybe thank you.^^ hard to tell. differs from person to person.

okay you could try to make them visit a neurologist/psychiatrist but as soon as they talk about suicidal thoughts that doc is going to do what i described above (mainly because taking anti depressants during a suicidal episode might increase suicidal tendencies 13.gif).
that "people who talk about suicide aren't going to actually do it" myth is BS. i've seen people talk about suicide and then they jumped out of the only unsecured open window of the ward.^^

I have to agree with failboat here about contacting someone regarding this. If they actually go through with their plans you'll feel horrible for not doing everything to prevent it. Yeah, they may hate you for it, but if they've made detailed plans how to do it it's quite disturbing. You can't carry this by yourself, or you shouldn't have to.

Both women are living with someone and they are alerted to their suicidal intentions. One of the women explained to me she is more tired of living than anything and feels she is ready to leave as there is nothing more for her here. I, of course, put forth arguments against that idea and pointed out what she has to stay here for; she is living with her sister now. The other woman is married and her husband is well aware of her downward spirals of depression and suicidal thoughts, which have been throughout her life. Recently, she was trying new medication and this may be the reason she became depressed again. I just had a talk with her about the medication issue and she said she stopped taking the new drug, which gave her a nice high that she liked but had other problems associated with it (extremely bad nightmares), and will go back to the old drug which kept her thoughts stable.

It is very difficult to know how to act when people that have lived life for a long time, tell you that they are 'tired of living' and have sanely? and soberly decided to just check out. But they are both giving it another try, or have come out of their depression, for now. As I said, I will continue to offer support and keep close contact with them and the people they live with.
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12-08-2014, 07:47 PM #14
failboat Incognito Anonymous
 
(12-08-2014, 07:42 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(12-08-2014, 07:34 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(12-08-2014, 06:53 PM)failboat Wrote:  well the normal procedure would be to call whoever you have to call in your country to commit them to the next psychiatry. doesn't necessarily have to be a closed ward... half closed (? dunno the correct english term) would also do the job.
get them on anti depressants and under observation.

lol.gif i know this sounds harsh but it's the right thing to do. they're probably going to hate you.^^ or maybe thank you.^^ hard to tell. differs from person to person.

okay you could try to make them visit a neurologist/psychiatrist but as soon as they talk about suicidal thoughts that doc is going to do what i described above (mainly because taking anti depressants during a suicidal episode might increase suicidal tendencies 13.gif).
that "people who talk about suicide aren't going to actually do it" myth is BS. i've seen people talk about suicide and then they jumped out of the only unsecured open window of the ward.^^

I have to agree with failboat here about contacting someone regarding this. If they actually go through with their plans you'll feel horrible for not doing everything to prevent it. Yeah, they may hate you for it, but if they've made detailed plans how to do it it's quite disturbing. You can't carry this by yourself, or you shouldn't have to.

Both women are living with someone and they are alerted to their suicidal intentions. One of the women explained to me she is more tired of living than anything and feels she is ready to leave as there is nothing more for her here. I, of course, put forth arguments against that idea and pointed out what she has to stay here for; she is living with her sister now. The other woman is married and her husband is well aware of her downward spirals of depression and suicidal thoughts, which have been throughout her life. Recently, she was trying new medication and this may be the reason she became depressed again. I just had a talk with her about the medication issue and she said she stopped taking the new drug, which gave her a nice high that she liked but had other problems associated with it (extremely bad nightmares), and will go back to the old drug which kept her thoughts stable.

It is very difficult to know how to act when people that have lived life for a long time, tell you that they are 'tired of living' and have sanely? and soberly decided to just check out. But they are both giving it another try, or have come out of their depression, for now. As I said, I will continue to offer support and keep close contact with them and the people they live with.

two words: closed ward.
12-08-2014, 08:08 PM #15
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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I am leaning more towards these women just needed support and positive reinforcement from a more positive, visionary-type person, being me. I suppose that is why people have always been telling me their innermost desires and problems, throughout my life.

I believe I did talk one woman out of the suicide idea because she is now looking to the near future and making plans to have her future vision take shape. This is important because she and I are discussing steps that she can take to make this future become a reality within a short time frame, or if that step fails, to make another future vision a possibility - now not later. So far, things are falling into place for her.

As for the other woman, we believe it was the new medication that precipitated the suicidal thoughts (which she had throughout her life). She said she feels much better after stopping the medication and will go back to the old medication. Here too I tried to steer her thoughts to envision a doable future plan, that can be had within a year of two.

That's the thing, dreaming about what and how you want your end of life to be is a waste if energy and is the road to depression, but I tend to lay down the reality of the situation and what steps are necessary to get you want. One baby step at a time. I also make sure I prepare them for possible failure and what alternate plan or path could be taken if that happens.

"There are two primary choices in life: to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility for changing them." Denis Waitley



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