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Treasure Hunting Seems To Be Paying Off
07-29-2015, 09:56 PM #16
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07-30-2015, 12:31 AM #17
Octo Mother Superior
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I don't think much bling was transported along the coast here, but there are other interesting sunken treasures. This one right off the coast here:

Quote:SS John Grafton was a steamboat that was used in an unsuccessful attempt to smuggle large quantities of arms for the Finnish resistance to the Imperial Russian regime in 1905 dring the Russo-Japanese War. The matter later came to be known as the "Grafton Affair".

After the Russification in Finland increased, the resistance activist Konni Zilliacus in 1905 organized smuggling of weapons. The reason for this action was to provide the Finnish and the Russian resistance with weapons. With Japanese financing, John Grafton was bought. In London the ship was loaded with 15,500 Swiss Vetterli rifles, 2.5 million bullets, 2,500 high-class English officer's revolvers and 3 tons of explosives. According to the original plan, the weapons were to be transported via the Netherlands and Copenhagen to a meeting place in the Gulf of Finland, from where the journey would continue to St Petersburg. On arrival, a part of the cargo would be offloaded and given to Russian revolutionaries.

After running into a few problems the route was changed, and the ship set course towards the Gulf of Bothnia and town of Kemi, where parts of the cargo was offloaded. The journey continued to Jakobstad, that, like Kemi, was a center for the Finnish resistance. The ship was guided into the rocky archipelago north of Jakobstad and the offloading of the weapons was conducted without any big problems. When the ship continued its journey south, she ran aground. The crew started to salvage what remained of the weapons. It quickly becomes clear that the whole cargo could not be salvaged. The captain, J.W. Nylander, made the decision to blow up the ship to avoid it ending up in the hands of the Russian authorities. On the afternoon of 8 September 1905 the ship was blown up with three powerful charges. The sound from the explosion was heard far way.

07-30-2015, 01:07 AM #18
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Just bling historical artifacts it seems. thumbsup.gif
08-08-2015, 04:14 PM #19
Octo Mother Superior
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Ninety years ago, an autumnal storm capsized the Kantava steamboat, sending its payload of 290 metric tonnes of copper to the bottom of the Baltic Sea. The current market value of the copper is estimated at one million euros, but there are still no clues as to who might be the rightful owner.
However, the more pressing question is: to whom does the nearly one million euros in copper rightfully belong?

The plot thickens...

The laws on such issues are more complicated than a simple case of finders keepers.

Although it may be possible to identify the boat's rightful owners, that does not necessarily mean that they also have a legal right to its contents. The Finnish state cannot claim the bounty, as it has been less than one hundred years since the vessel sank, therefore the wreck is not considered a protected site.

Adding to the intrigue, it is highly possible that up to ten kilogrammes of gold is mixed in with the copper. Miners during this era didn't have the ability to extract the precious metal, so it likely the gold is still buried within the less valuable metal.

08-17-2015, 10:02 PM #20
US nli Incognito Anonymous
Greecians that are strapped for cash are buying metal detectors for treasure hunting and the selling of found antiquities on the black market. The government is calling them looters, but the profits are still good and worth it, IMO.

Quote:“People dream of mythical sums,” Melistas said. For those doing the digging, however, the financial reward is typically only a fraction of the final price. In a recent case involving a female statue, the Greek looters made fifty thousand euros; the final sale price was 1.1 million euros.

Quote:“By looting you are depriving future generations of identity,” he said. “The economic crisis is probably temporary, but the negative effects of looting are permanent.”

I wonder what they think as temporary.

08-18-2015, 12:05 AM #21
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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I recall when the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt,
reports said Islamic clerics called on Muslim Brotherhood
President Morsi to destroy the pyramids.
So many reasons to destroy what little history we have left.


08-18-2015, 12:51 AM #22
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Hopefully, the history in the museums and internet will always be available.
12-11-2015, 06:50 PM #23
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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17 Billion dollars blink.gif that's what I call a payoff.

I also read that there are estimated around 3 million shipwrecks around the world just waiting to be found - via drones(?)

Let the court battles begin.



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