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WTF Drugmaker wants OxyContin approved for children!
07-03-2012, 12:59 AM #16
Athenagoddess Member
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Okay, you bring your loved one into hospital, writhing in pain, crying, and you don't want analgesia? If pain is so bad you want whatever we can give to stop it. I have been on the sharp end so many times. Young drs scared of giving a decent dose. I have been cross and upset so many times.
Relatives crying too, you think we shouldn't give it? Rubbish. Pain eats up the drug. Morphine whatever.
07-03-2012, 01:05 AM #17
Accidental Stoner Member
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(07-03-2012, 12:59 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  Okay, you bring your loved one into hospital, writhing in pain, crying, and you don't want analgesia? If pain is so bad you want whatever we can give to stop it. I have been on the sharp end so many times. Young drs scared of giving a decent dose. I have been cross and upset so many times.
Relatives crying too, you think we shouldn't give it? Rubbish. Pain eats up the drug. Morphine whatever.


Good point, but I think maybe you and P are talking about slightly different things..?
07-03-2012, 01:11 AM #18
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(07-03-2012, 12:58 AM)Prometheus Wrote:  okay, lets give all the kids drugs like they shoving them down the throats of kids and labeling them ADHD or ODD a made up syndrome so pharma can sell more drugs. Stir up fear, so people rush to get a pig flu jab, that has led to people becoming narcoleptic. I could go on and on.

Any kind of natural medicinal practices have to be shut down in the EU so Big Pharma can lock down the whole market for healthcare.

Most modern medical practitioners are panel beaters at best.
No I am not for all drugs just ones to stop pain. Pain is so bad, I don't know what your history is. If we could deal with pain today any better I would go for that but at the moment we can't. Yes I am well aware of hemp, it would be great if widespread. In hospital it isn't.
When you listen to people scream in pain and you can do something, you would, even you.

A year ago I was very ill with swine flu as they call it, I didn't think I would make it but here I am, yes no vaccines. I too don't believe in them.
07-03-2012, 01:18 AM #19
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(07-03-2012, 01:11 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  .../
A year ago I was very ill with swine flu as they call it, I didn't think I would make it but here I am, yes no vaccines. I too don't believe in them.


You know for a fact it was the "swine-flu"?
Did you get lab-tested?

People over here just seemed to take the doctor's rather
hasty, non-proven word for it.
LOADS of cases that could've been any old regular cold.
07-03-2012, 01:18 AM #20
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(07-03-2012, 01:05 AM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  
(07-03-2012, 12:59 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  Okay, you bring your loved one into hospital, writhing in pain, crying, and you don't want analgesia? If pain is so bad you want whatever we can give to stop it. I have been on the sharp end so many times. Young drs scared of giving a decent dose. I have been cross and upset so many times.
Relatives crying too, you think we shouldn't give it? Rubbish. Pain eats up the drug. Morphine whatever.


Good point, but I think maybe you and P are talking about slightly different things..?
Yes you are right, thank you for your post I have updated with P. xxxhug.gif
07-03-2012, 01:35 AM #21
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(07-03-2012, 01:18 AM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  
(07-03-2012, 01:11 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  .../
A year ago I was very ill with swine flu as they call it, I didn't think I would make it but here I am, yes no vaccines. I too don't believe in them.


You know for a fact it was the "swine-flu"?
Did you get lab-tested?

People over here just seemed to take the doctor's rather
hasty, non-proven word for it.
LOADS of cases that could've been any old regular cold.
Well no I wasn't allowed to go to the surgery. but I had a temp of 39.9 for days, didn't eat hardly drank slept most of the time. Partner wanted to call an ambulance often, wasn't up for it. was too ill. I had all the symptoms they stated, so I think it was swine flu. I have never been so ill in my life.

Sorry about coming on very strong but pain is my weakness. I hate people to be in pain and often get cross at them when they lay in pain and don't ask for anything. I have had a lot of pain in my life so I understand, when people are in so much pain they need their pain relief immediately.
07-03-2012, 02:00 AM #22
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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been in a lot of pain in my time


don't use drugs at all

for pain or anything else

so, i am out the opinion of if this is good or bad for others


i can say
first doctor gets near me
and i tell the doc to step back and leave

best for the doc to just go away.

if i am terminal and cannot cure it my way

death can come get my ass

i at this moment have Melanoma so bad
my back looks like
i was hit with a shotgun packed with shitballs


no problem here

i live until i die

i've pulled every tooth in my mouth myself
except the six i have left

and two by dentist

suffered through pulling 3 of my own wisdom teeth

Dentist pulled ONE with the transponder in it
simply because it would not absess and soften the gum enough for me to get it

thats because
it was not a Cavity

the pain was caused by the transponder relaying micro-waves for a Micr-oven
when i used it.


anyway
pain is only as tolerable, as any one person can or is willing to stand it.

my endorphrins must be mega huge
07-03-2012, 02:09 AM #23
Kreeper Griobhtha
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I have had three sinus surgeries.

The first one, about 1986, I was given a few days worth of Darvocet. I might as well have been taking saccharine tablets. I had to beg for something else and whatever he gave me wasn't much better. BAD time.

The second operation, about 1997, I was admitted over night (This Dr. always admitted for one night.) got 30 Lortabs. 2 pills every 4 hours and a few days later I was on my own. BAD time.

The third time, about 2002, I told the doctor I refused to have the surgery unless he guaranteed me a 30 day supply of Percocet. Not 30 pills, 30 days. You would have thought I had asked him to shove kittens up his ass. He finally agreed to 30 days of Lortabs. That surgery recovery was still painful, but better.

Why did I insist on 30 days worth? Why did I insist on Percocet? Experience. Experience told me it would take at least that long for the pain to be tolerable. Not gone, tolerable. Most doctors are afraid to prescribe pain medications and that fear is growing. I'm not a big fan of meds. I avoid them at all costs. But when you need them, especially for pain, you need them. What I was getting still was not strong enough. I have a very high resistance to pain meds. I woke up from sedation during the first operation when the surgeon started breaking the out pieces of temporal bone. During the second operation I was given Morphine a morphine drip, while I was admitted, that had absolutely no effect. My body just does not process Morphine properly. They absolutely refused to give me anything else until after midnight when I was scheduled to be switched to a Percocet drip. It worked wonderfully. Then I got to suffer for another month.

What makes it hard on people like me that know something like Lortab is nearly useless, Morphine is completely useless and Percocet works great is that so many people go in and lie to get strong pain meds to feed a habit (I'm looking at YOU Rush Slimeball...) that honest patients are viewed in the same light. There are also doctors that don't think about things like addiction and give way too many pain meds.

I have a really good friend that had a serious back injury and was given morphine for the better part of a year. He is still addicted today. He wasn't using recreationally. He was just using his prescription. Then they just stopped him cold turkey and left him to deal with it. That's bullshit.

You see, between the abusers and bad doctors the DEA has come down so hard that doctors are afraid to prescribe sufficient pain medications and people in pain have to suffer because of it. Pain meds really do help when prescribed and used properly.

I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your autumn moon, I am the night
The night
07-03-2012, 02:12 AM #24
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Oh my god Rog', had no idea you had melanoma. Man, so sorry to hear that.

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07-03-2012, 02:13 AM #25
Kreeper Griobhtha
Posts:10,601 Threads:635 Joined:Feb 2011
(07-03-2012, 01:35 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  
(07-03-2012, 01:18 AM)Accidental Stoner Wrote:  
(07-03-2012, 01:11 AM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  .../
A year ago I was very ill with swine flu as they call it, I didn't think I would make it but here I am, yes no vaccines. I too don't believe in them.


You know for a fact it was the "swine-flu"?
Did you get lab-tested?

People over here just seemed to take the doctor's rather
hasty, non-proven word for it.
LOADS of cases that could've been any old regular cold.
Well no I wasn't allowed to go to the surgery. but I had a temp of 39.9 for days, didn't eat hardly drank slept most of the time. Partner wanted to call an ambulance often, wasn't up for it. was too ill. I had all the symptoms they stated, so I think it was swine flu. I have never been so ill in my life.

Sorry about coming on very strong but pain is my weakness. I hate people to be in pain and often get cross at them when they lay in pain and don't ask for anything. I have had a lot of pain in my life so I understand, when people are in so much pain they need their pain relief immediately.


They lie there in pain because they have been convinced they will become addicts if they take any. I have personally known two people in their death beds with cancer that had family member who refused to give them their pain meds because they were afraid the dieing people would become addicts...

Seriously...

I knew a third that refused her own pain meds because she wanted to be lucid and see Jesus when he came for her.

I shït you not.


I am not your rolling wheels, I am the highway
I am not your carpet ride I am the sky
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning
I am not your autumn moon, I am the night
The night
07-03-2012, 02:16 AM #26
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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15.gif That's irritatingly stupid.

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07-03-2012, 02:19 AM #27
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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it's fine with me JR

no need to be feeling sorry

surprised as hell, that i wasn't offed way before now

i ain't missed much in life
no regrets
and what comes if anything next

just another trip
no fear
and i don't dwell on it

can't stay positive
if all a person feels'
is their own self manufactured fears and pain

Stoic i am
07-03-2012, 02:32 AM #28
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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So true, some go through a miserable life clinging to manufactured fears and pain as if it's a comfort zone.

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07-03-2012, 02:44 AM #29
Cynicalabsurdance Member
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Ha!

i have outlasted the Doc's predicted time of D.O.A. by a few years already

heh heh,,
gotta CHEAT at some games
07-03-2012, 10:04 AM #30
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,782 Threads:1,182 Joined:Feb 2011
(07-02-2012, 10:39 PM)Athenagoddess Wrote:  Sorry I have to be on the other side of this. I can only feel it would be a good thing.

1- It would be licenced for children, if things went wrong there could be a comeback


There is blanket immunity for big pharma under a legal argument called pre-emption. Perhaps it's different where you are but I wouldn't bet on it with my kid's life. For ie:

Across the country, dozens of lawsuits against generic pharmaceutical companies are being dismissed because of a Supreme Court decision last year that said the companies did not have control over what their labels said and therefore could not be sued for failing to alert patients about the risks of taking their drugs

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/busine...wanted=all

They just give Oxycontin a generic name and accountability is nonexistant. Also if it's been approved by the FDA. Perhaps it's different in the UK but you might want to know that.




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