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Was Goliath An Ancient Greek?
07-04-2019, 04:07 AM #1
RiskyRob Master Blaster
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Human remains from an ancient cemetery in southern Israel have yielded precious bits of DNA that a new study says help prove the European origin of the Philistines — the enigmatic nemeses of the biblical Israelites.

The Philistines mostly resided in five cities along the southern coast of what is today Israel and the Gaza Strip during the early Iron Age, around 3,000 years ago. In the Bible, David fought the Philistine giant Goliath in a duel, and Samson slew a thousand of their warriors with the jawbone of an ass.

Many archaeologists have proposed they migrated to the coast of the ancient Near East during a period of upheaval at the end of the Late Bronze Age, around 1200 B.C.

DNA evidence indicates the Philistines migrated to the Levant from southern Europe — anywhere from Cyprus to Sardinia — but further study of ancient remains is needed to narrow down the search.

https://www.wpri.com/news/us-and-world/s...l-mystery/
07-05-2019, 05:23 PM #2
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Quote:From Hebrew גָּלְיָת (Golyat), possibly derived from גָּלָה (galah) meaning "uncover, reveal". This is the name of the giant Philistine who is slain by David in the Old Testament.

Quote:According to the Bible, it was because God was on his side. But according to Malcolm Gladwell, it was largely because Goliath had a disorder known as acromegaly, a tumor on the pituitary gland. This disorder, identified in the late 19th century, manifests as gigantism, and it may affect vision.

I am leaning towards gigantism (rarety) as the cause of Goliath's great size, but it is a Hebrew name so he was most likely Hebrew. Also, if gigantism could also affect one's vision, then we can see how perhaps David had an advantage there and thus defeated Goliath.

But you pose an interesting hypothesis, however if you take into account interbreeding with the race(s) that were already in the region, doesn't it become muddy?
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07-05-2019, 05:37 PM #3
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(13 minutes ago)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:From Hebrew גָּלְיָת (Golyat), possibly derived from גָּלָה (galah) meaning "uncover, reveal". This is the name of the giant Philistine who is slain by David in the Old Testament.

Quote:According to the Bible, it was because God was on his side. But according to Malcolm Gladwell, it was largely because Goliath had a disorder known as acromegaly, a tumor on the pituitary gland. This disorder, identified in the late 19th century, manifests as gigantism, and it may affect vision.

I am leaning towards gigantism (rarety) as the cause of Goliath's great size, but it is a Hebrew name so he was most likely Hebrew. Also, if gigantism could also affect one's vision, then we can see how perhaps David had an advantage there and thus defeated Goliath.

But you pose an interesting hypothesis, however if you take into account interbreeding with the race(s) that were already in the region, doesn't it become muddy?

just because the Hebrews gave him a name doesn't make him one of them
calling your child Yoda won't make him a tiny green Jedi with pointed ears
DNA says Philistines were European
07-05-2019, 05:53 PM #4
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(1 hour ago)anonymous knitter Wrote:  
(2 hours ago)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:From Hebrew גָּלְיָת (Golyat), possibly derived from גָּלָה (galah) meaning "uncover, reveal". This is the name of the giant Philistine who is slain by David in the Old Testament.

Quote:According to the Bible, it was because God was on his side. But according to Malcolm Gladwell, it was largely because Goliath had a disorder known as acromegaly, a tumor on the pituitary gland. This disorder, identified in the late 19th century, manifests as gigantism, and it may affect vision.

I am leaning towards gigantism (rarety) as the cause of Goliath's great size, but it is a Hebrew name so he was most likely Hebrew. Also, if gigantism could also affect one's vision, then we can see how perhaps David had an advantage there and thus defeated Goliath.

But you pose an interesting hypothesis, however if you take into account interbreeding with the race(s) that were already in the region, doesn't it become muddy?

just because the Hebrews gave him a name doesn't make him one of them
calling your child Yoda won't make him a tiny green Jedi with pointed ears
DNA says Philistines were European

If you read the original post, more research is needed to narrow doonen the search...so nothing can be determined quite yet. Also, how can they make a definite determination from only ten DNA samples taken from n seaport city. I would like to see them take another ten DNA samples from graves that date around the same time from another city, perhaps more inland as well as another seaport city; for comparison sake.
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07-05-2019, 08:36 PM #5
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(2 hours ago)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(2 hours ago)anonymous knitter Wrote:  
(3 hours ago)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
Quote:From Hebrew גָּלְיָת (Golyat), possibly derived from גָּלָה (galah) meaning "uncover, reveal". This is the name of the giant Philistine who is slain by David in the Old Testament.

Quote:According to the Bible, it was because God was on his side. But according to Malcolm Gladwell, it was largely because Goliath had a disorder known as acromegaly, a tumor on the pituitary gland. This disorder, identified in the late 19th century, manifests as gigantism, and it may affect vision.

I am leaning towards gigantism (rarety) as the cause of Goliath's great size, but it is a Hebrew name so he was most likely Hebrew. Also, if gigantism could also affect one's vision, then we can see how perhaps David had an advantage there and thus defeated Goliath.

But you pose an interesting hypothesis, however if you take into account interbreeding with the race(s) that were already in the region, doesn't it become muddy?

just because the Hebrews gave him a name doesn't make him one of them
calling your child Yoda won't make him a tiny green Jedi with pointed ears
DNA says Philistines were European

If you read the original post, more research is needed to narrow doonen the search...so nothing can be determined quite yet. Also, how can they make a definite determination from only ten DNA samples taken from n seaport city. I would like to see them take another ten DNA samples from graves that date around the same time from another city, perhaps more inland as well as another seaport city; for comparison sake.

didn't read your link
but I read it elsewhere
European origin is confirmed
they just don't know which region exactly
07-06-2019, 02:04 AM #6
RiskyRob Master Blaster
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Bronze Age civilizations of Greece around the Aegean Sea were Crete, the Cyclades and the Greek mainland.

About 1200 BC, these bronze age civilizations collapsed, followed by a Hellenic "Dark Age".

The Philistines soon arrived and settled the Levant in the early iron age. They probably remembered the epics of Homer, The Iliad and The Odyssey. We see the Philistines through the lens of the Hebrew bible, but the Philistine culture would probably be familiar to us as modern Europeans.
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07-06-2019, 03:37 PM #7
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Quote: ORIGIN OF PHILO-
< Greek, combining form of phílos loving, dear

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07-06-2019, 05:23 PM #8
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History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.



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07-06-2019, 07:40 PM #9
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(2 hours ago)grav Wrote:  History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.




make a thread about it
this one is about Philistine bones and genetics
07-07-2019, 02:58 AM #10
grav Member
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(7 hours ago)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(9 hours ago)grav Wrote:  History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.




make a thread about it
this one is about Philistine bones and genetics

Are you the OP?
My post was relevant. My History Is a Hoax thread on LOP still stands if anyone wants to look at it.
07-07-2019, 03:59 AM #11
RiskyRob Master Blaster
Posts:466 Threads:55 Joined:Apr 2018
(1 hour ago)grav Wrote:  
(8 hours ago)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(10 hours ago)grav Wrote:  History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.




make a thread about it
this one is about Philistine bones and genetics

Are you the OP?
My post was relevant. My History Is a Hoax thread on LOP still stands if anyone wants to look at it.

We know you don't believe in history, science, a ball earth, ect, ect.

I wish you would stop derailing other people's threads.

Just post your own separate thread about how history is bunk.
07-07-2019, 03:59 AM #12
RiskyRob Master Blaster
Posts:466 Threads:55 Joined:Apr 2018
(1 hour ago)grav Wrote:  
(8 hours ago)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(10 hours ago)grav Wrote:  History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.




make a thread about it
this one is about Philistine bones and genetics

Are you the OP?
My post was relevant. My History Is a Hoax thread on LOP still stands if anyone wants to look at it.

We know you don't believe in history, science, a ball earth, ect, ect.

I wish you would stop derailing other people's threads.

Just post your own separate thread about how history is bunk.
anonymous knitter Show this Post
07-07-2019, 11:34 AM #13
anonymous knitter Incognito Anonymous
 
(7 hours ago)RiskyRob Wrote:  
(8 hours ago)grav Wrote:  
(Yesterday, 07:40 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  
(Yesterday, 05:23 PM)grav Wrote:  History is another lie of the Control System. Giants did exist. But what does the word "ancient" mean?
The New Chronologists make claims based on statistics and events based on astronomical observations.

• Homer's Iliad - The Trojan War and 1st Crusade were the same event
• Goths - were the biblical Gog/ Magog people and were actually Slavs
• Tartars - the name of these people has been erased from history, although many ancient maps exist. After defeating them, the Romanov's re-wrote Russian history
• John's Book of Revelation/ Apocalypse - according to the astronomical description in the biblical texts, this book had to be written in Sept/Oct 1486 AD
• Dark Ages - this vacuum of time never existed. It was added to push back some historical events to make them more credible
• Jesus was born in 1053 and died in 1086. It's the same 33 years, just 1000+ years later in time
• Egyptian/ Greek/ Roman ages - existed simultaneously 
• Mongolian Empire never existed. It was a Russian army called the Horde (Tartarians) These are the descendants of the Hyperboreans.




make a thread about it
this one is about Philistine bones and genetics

Are you the OP?
My post was relevant. My History Is a Hoax thread on LOP still stands if anyone wants to look at it.

We know you don't believe in history, science, a ball earth, ect, ect.

I wish you would stop derailing other people's threads.

Just post your own separate thread about how history is bunk.

seems the OP agrees with me 37.gif



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