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Welfare pays more than minimum wage.
08-22-2013, 08:21 PM #16
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Well, at least holding a job keeps the bloody bureaucrats out of one's hair.

Over here.

Even if you paid taxes on every cent you ever made, all your friggin' life,
the Kafkaish shït they put you through - when you're down and out and
need something back - gets humiliating.
I have seen where some have died in desperation.

Being on the dole = constant struggle.
So don't come here with any too soft "nanny-state" illusions chuckle.gif


And, Smolensk, chuckle.gif
- have some mercy, will'ya please.
You kinda outdid the Talibans there... chuckle.gif
08-22-2013, 08:35 PM #17
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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(08-22-2013, 04:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  My son's girlfriend gets like $1,500 a month mother's allowance and if she worked a minimum wage job she'd only bring home $1195.00. Now I know why she doesn't want to find a job.

Plus they don't get taxed.

If they didn't tax the shït out of people they would be bringing home more.

Don't raise the minimum wage just lower the taxes.
08-22-2013, 08:37 PM #18
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-22-2013, 08:35 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 04:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  My son's girlfriend gets like $1,500 a month mother's allowance and if she worked a minimum wage job she'd only bring home $1195.00. Now I know why she doesn't want to find a job.

Plus they don't get taxed.

If they didn't tax the sh!t out of people they would be bringing home more.

Don't raise the minimum wage just lower the taxes.

I'd say do both...even raising the minimum wage to $14/hr? still doesn't catch up with the cost of living nowadays.
08-22-2013, 08:50 PM #19
KILLUMINATI Made Ya Look!!
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(08-22-2013, 08:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 08:35 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 04:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  My son's girlfriend gets like $1,500 a month mother's allowance and if she worked a minimum wage job she'd only bring home $1195.00. Now I know why she doesn't want to find a job.

Plus they don't get taxed.

If they didn't tax the sh!t out of people they would be bringing home more.

Don't raise the minimum wage just lower the taxes.

I'd say do both...even raising the minimum wage to $14/hr? still doesn't catch up with the cost of living nowadays.

Then the prices will go up on everything if employers have to pay people more and then were back to where we started
08-22-2013, 09:03 PM #20
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-22-2013, 08:50 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 08:37 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 08:35 PM)KILLUMINATI Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 04:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  My son's girlfriend gets like $1,500 a month mother's allowance and if she worked a minimum wage job she'd only bring home $1195.00. Now I know why she doesn't want to find a job.

Plus they don't get taxed.

If they didn't tax the sh!t out of people they would be bringing home more.

Don't raise the minimum wage just lower the taxes.

I'd say do both...even raising the minimum wage to $14/hr? still doesn't catch up with the cost of living nowadays.

Then the prices will go up on everything if employers have to pay people more and then were back to where we started

Then we need a new system or rather make the government accountable as to how they are spending our tax money and give us a say in what they spend it on.
08-22-2013, 09:08 PM #21
Octo Mother Superior
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I think things went wrong already when we based our economy on consumption. 13.gif
08-22-2013, 11:16 PM #22
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and in America

Military spending is the largest economic industry .

whats the lyrics to the song ?

" When you own a large piece of the bloody third World ,
the babies just come with the scenery "


It's a trade off

The Military invades and secures natural resources for the Industrialist

Then we feed the babies that were not killed in the invasion .

The Nixon admin . struck the deal with Mexico

Mexico will sell it's oil for U.S. Dollars only

The U.S. in turn will allow for a huge influx of Illegal immigrants into the U.S.

The U.S. is involved with it's personnel in over 30 countries at this moment .

Turn your eyes not to the hungry children and blame them .


Outlaw GREED , and everything else will fall right into proper place .
08-23-2013, 02:51 AM #23
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(08-22-2013, 05:37 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-22-2013, 05:27 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  He's young and SLOWLY learning and waking up....sad2.gif dunno.gif

I hope like hell he doesn't learn the hard way!

Of course there are mitigating circumstances, having to pay day care is a substantial part of working if you have little kids. If a single Mom works a full time min wage job, half her net income goes to daycare for just one child, so it may be a matter of survival she not work. If min wage is all she can get.


one of my best friends is going through her options of leaving her horrible partner, she has two kids, 4 and 2, and in all honesty the best option we can come up with is that she go on welfare, as working fulltime and paying $100+ a day for day care is kind of pointless.. and she is no welfare type, at all.. has always worked and had a strong work ethic..
08-23-2013, 03:04 AM #24
Octo Mother Superior
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Well Finland doesn't have benefits to write home about, but the point being that you should be able to survive on them, but not live. The cost for daycare is progressive so if you have a low income you pay nothing and there's a roof of some €500 / month no matter how much you make. Ok I'm not sure about those numbers at all, I haven't had a kid in daycare since 98.

That roof for healthcare is €600/year for anyone.
08-23-2013, 03:11 AM #25
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-23-2013, 03:04 AM)Octo Wrote:  Well Finland doesn't have benefits to write home about, but the point being that you should be able to survive on them, but not live. The cost for daycare is progressive so if you have a low income you pay nothing and there's a roof of some €500 / month no matter how much you make. Ok I'm not sure about those numbers at all, I haven't had a kid in daycare since 98.

That roof for healthcare is €600/year for anyone.

I read about a gov't program (not sure if Finland) where they subsidize daycare and such because they want people to have more children. Is that Finland Octo?
08-23-2013, 05:27 AM #26
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(08-22-2013, 04:56 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  My son's girlfriend gets like $1,500 a month mother's allowance and if she worked a minimum wage job she'd only bring home $1195.00. Now I know why she doesn't want to find a job.
While the people who do have jobs that they have to go to every day are forced without a choice to pay for those who dont work and for those who cant work and for those who lie and act like they cant work because they dont want to work...

In 1945 if an american worker grossed $100 they brought home $92 dollars after taxes and so their $1.00 back then was worth 92 cents and had 92 cents of buying power,wow,imagine that...

(Why is there no cents sign on my brand new computer keypad? and actually my old one didnt have one either)

If an american grosses $100 right now they'll bring home about $65 after taxes and so now our battered and abused $1.00 is worth only 65 friggin cents and has 65 friggin cents worth of buying power...

And there is runaway inflation and the root of so many of the problems of modern day society like robbery and drug dealing and even many murders ect ect.....

Just like tptb want it and designed it and have it within their blossoming new world order of slaves and masters...



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