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02-09-2013, 05:36 PM #31
Octo Mother Superior
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Probably the same thing as what we call log roads. Just real narrow gravel roads cutting through the woods everywhere for trucks to pick up timber. They're closed in the spring because they can't take the weight of the trucks during the thaw. That would be why they drive at night in BC, cause the roads are frozen.
02-09-2013, 05:38 PM #32
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-09-2013, 05:36 PM)Octo Wrote:  Probably the same thing as what we call log roads. Just real narrow gravel roads cutting through the woods everywhere for trucks to pick up timber. They're closed in the spring because they can't take the weight of the trucks during the thaw. That would be why they drive at night in BC, cause the roads are frozen.


Yeah that's what I thought, thanks Octo.

Doh, nevermind.
02-09-2013, 05:39 PM #33
Shadoh Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-09-2013, 05:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What's a bush road? dunno.gif


Something that falls apart every spring under 60,000kg of truck. They're closed every year for about two months until the frost comes out but this year it's quite early.
02-09-2013, 05:47 PM #34
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-09-2013, 05:39 PM)Shadoh Wrote:  
(02-09-2013, 05:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What's a bush road? dunno.gif


Something that falls apart every spring under 60,000kg of truck. They're closed every year for about two months until the frost comes out but this year it's quite early.


Do you mean 60,000kg of truck will create something in the order of sink holes on a bush road?
02-09-2013, 05:49 PM #35
Shadoh Incognito Anonymous
 
Exactly.
02-09-2013, 06:24 PM #36
Octo Mother Superior
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Not only sink holes, but create mile long mud pits. chuckle.gif We save 11 km going to the cabin using log roads. beercheer.gif
02-09-2013, 06:43 PM #37
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-09-2013, 06:24 PM)Octo Wrote:  Not only sink holes, but create mile long mud pits. chuckle.gif We save 11 km going to the cabin using log roads. beercheer.gif


What's the difference?
02-09-2013, 06:50 PM #38
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Driving on logs is like doin' it on top of the washer when it's on the spin cycle. 37.gif That's the difference.

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02-09-2013, 06:51 PM #39
Octo Mother Superior
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Well I was thinking a sink hole is when something under the surface goes away allowing the surface to sink into that depression. Log roads during thaw is when everything turns to mush, surface included.
02-09-2013, 07:07 PM #40
Shadoh Incognito Anonymous
 
It's called corduroyding, logs are used to span the mud holes. But it's far cheaper to to run on frost then shut down during 'break up' than re-build the roads.
02-09-2013, 07:11 PM #41
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(02-09-2013, 07:07 PM)Shadoh Wrote:  It's called corduroyding, logs are used to span the mud holes. But it's far cheaper to to run on frost then shut down during 'break up' than re-build the roads.


That's what I first thought...never heard of corduoyding before. Yep, gotta make sure those logging trucks get through after raping those old growth forests.
02-09-2013, 07:24 PM #42
Shadoh Incognito Anonymous
 
(02-09-2013, 07:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  That's what I first thought...never heard of corduoyding before. Yep, gotta make sure those logging trucks get through after raping those old growth forests.


My typo, it's corduroying. Like the pants Mom said were so cool in the 80s corduroys. You aren't far from the truth there US. Most of the harvest is dead pine from the Mtn Pine Beetle. But I was in on the ground floor of controlling the pine beetle and it could have been done until Campbell got elected and decided the forest licencees (sawmills) weren't responsible for forest stewardship. Now we have 17 million Ha of beetle kill pine. It could have been 1/4 that. A lot of timber harvested is massive old fir and spruce, old growth.

Then we get places like the Kitlope valley, the largest remaining intact watershed in the world. West Fraser gave up all timber cutting rights without compensation. And which of us does not live in a house built with 2x4s?
02-09-2013, 07:30 PM #43
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(02-09-2013, 07:24 PM)Shadoh Wrote:  
(02-09-2013, 07:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  That's what I first thought...never heard of corduoyding before. Yep, gotta make sure those logging trucks get through after raping those old growth forests.


My typo, it's corduroying. Like the pants Mom said were so cool in the 80s corduroys. You aren't far from the truth there US. Most of the harvest is dead pine from the Mtn Pine Beetle. But I was in on the ground floor of controlling the pine beetle and it could have been done until Campbell got elected and decided the forest licencees (sawmills) weren't responsible for forest stewardship. Now we have 17 million Ha of beetle kill pine. It could have been 1/4 that. A lot of timber harvested is massive old fir and spruce, old growth.

Then we get places like the Kitlope valley, the largest remaining intact watershed in the world. West Fraser gave up all timber cutting rights without compensation. And which of us does not live in a house built with 2x4s?


Are any naturalists preserving their seeds/cones for future reforestation?
02-09-2013, 08:25 PM #44
Octo Mother Superior
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(02-09-2013, 07:24 PM)Shadoh Wrote:  And which of us does not live in a house built with 2x4s?


wave.gif Bricks here.

It used to be done way more nature friendly. Back in the days before forest machinery they didn't clear cut areas, just thin out the trees. It was done in the winter by horse, but this was back in the days they built shitloads of sail ships a year here in town.

There are other problems with heavy machinery in forestry as well. They tend to create tracks so deep they sometime cut off streams and make it impossible for fish to migrate and spawn.

I think it's more important to keep a healthy ecosystem than focus on short term profits, seems logical to most people, but it's just not how things work these days. sad2.gif
02-10-2013, 06:32 PM #45
Shadoh Incognito Anonymous
 
I guess a lot of European homes are built from bricks but in NA they're mostly wood construction. Harvesting depends on the seral stage of the forest, pine naturally regenerates when it's clear cut, needs open sun or a fire for the cones to open, but a late seral stage forest like pseudotsuga needs shade for the seedlings to germinate and grow. So a pine forest will be clearcut and a fir stand select logged leaving the 'vets' the huge old trees that provide the forest DNA and the healthy young trees. Nobody is allowed to run equipment through creeks rivers swamps, you'll be shut down immediatly. I've been mostly involved in the post harvest end of the industry, silviculture (silva = tree, culture = to grow) what I do is make prescriptions for reforestation not deforestation so I don't know that much about the harvesting side. And yes, BC is jam packed with nurseries that are seed banks and most ecologists I know are seed collectors.

As exploitative as it is, the forest industry accounts for 60% of BC's revenue although mining is swiftly taking over, SSDD. We're like locusts on this planet.


(02-09-2013, 08:25 PM)Octo Wrote:  wave.gif Bricks here.

It used to be done way more nature friendly. Back in the days before forest machinery they didn't clear cut areas, just thin out the trees. It was done in the winter by horse, but this was back in the days they built shitloads of sail ships a year here in town.

There are other problems with heavy machinery in forestry as well. They tend to create tracks so deep they sometime cut off streams and make it impossible for fish to migrate and spawn.

I think it's more important to keep a healthy ecosystem than focus on short term profits, seems logical to most people, but it's just not how things work these days. sad2.gif



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