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Why do archaeologist always suggest old artifacts are of a religious nature?
08-07-2014, 11:49 AM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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Surely items were made just because they could? Like, here kiddo, I made you a dolphin, lol.

Quote:Amateur archaeologists have unearthed a new, unique Stone Age clay figure doll or idol at excavations at Jokiniemi in Vantaa. The figure unearthed on Wednesday is thought to have been created by an ancient shaman at least 5,500 years ago.

Professional Archaeologist Jan Fast, who is leading the excavations, is excited about finds made on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Jan Fast says the clay figures, which may depict human fetuses, were probably used by shamans in rituals.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/new_unique_neolith...aa/7397805

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08-07-2014, 02:56 PM #2
Wicked Oblivion Member
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A cult is a religion without political influence and a religion is a cult with political influence,most peoples lives have been warped and twisted by organized religions and most peoples minds have been forcibly snapped and wrapped around imaginary gods for at least thousands of years,to ensure that the evil quota of blood sacrificed souls is continuously upheld and delivered by the royal bloodline elites through sinister human sacrifice and horrific war and genocide as demanded by the diabolical forces who control this fallen world...
08-07-2014, 03:27 PM #3
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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Years ago I was doing some soil borings in an environmental remediation study, and a stainless steel tube about 3' long became unrecoverable about 20' down in the ground.
There was no retrieving it, so we finally had to say screw it and walk away,
I said to the guy helping me, in a couple thousand years they'll dig that up and claim it was used for religious purposes.
He said "Isn't everything?"
I think everyone questions that all in the past is religious spiel.

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08-07-2014, 03:35 PM #4
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(08-07-2014, 03:27 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  Years ago I was doing some soil borings in an environmental remediation study, and a stainless steel tube about 3' long became unrecoverable about 20' down in the ground.
There was no retrieving it, so we finally had to say screw it and walk away,
I said to the guy helping me, in a couple thousand years they'll dig that up and claim it was used for religious purposes.
He said "Isn't everything?"
I think everyone questions that all in the past is religious spiel.
After the next ice age snowball earth is through crushing and obliterating most everything we've built and done!

I wonder what the next group of humans who survive will think our cars were when they unearth some of them?

Portable churches? Wheeled mosques? Rolling temples? Mobile confession booths? Ha haa haaa haaaa haaaaa!
08-07-2014, 06:11 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Here's an interesting site explaining stone age shamanism in that particular area, Octo, and, how in all likelihood, the relics would be of spirit animals and/or spirit gods...in our own image.

Quote:The rock painting below is from Juusjarvi Lake near Helsinki. It is thought to depict a shaman falling into trance accompanied by a fish spirit helper, possibly a pike.

http://spiritboat.blogspot.ca/p/overview...anism.html

Fish God: Ladoga

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08-07-2014, 06:26 PM #6
Octo Mother Superior
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Well this is kind of the point of my thread

From your link:
Quote:Where conclusive evidence is lacking on particular points, the following account of the shamanism of the Finns will rely on the informed opinions of influential scholars.
08-07-2014, 06:29 PM #7
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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Quote:“In the last analysis we find that the original and proper character of Finnic mythology is that which distinguishes shamanic belief, or generally speaking, that which is called animism….The world, according to the Finnic idea, is quite peopled with spirits; everything has its haltia, every tree every hill, every lake, every waterfall, etc."

It appears their beliefs match with the Inuit and other aboriginal beliefs during the stone age and beyond. So, can we think of artifacts being used in a healing/spiritual nature by shamans as a religious practice?
08-07-2014, 07:22 PM #8
Octo Mother Superior
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They do indeed have a lot in common.

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08-07-2014, 08:15 PM #9
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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(08-07-2014, 06:11 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Here's an interesting site explaining stone age shamanism in that particular area, Octo, and, how in all likelihood, the relics would be of spirit animals and/or spirit gods...in our own image.

Quote:The rock painting below is from Juusjarvi Lake near Helsinki. It is thought to depict a shaman falling into trance accompanied by a fish spirit helper, possibly a pike.

http://spiritboat.blogspot.ca/p/overview...anism.html

Fish God: Ladoga

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That transcends Finnish myth.
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08-08-2014, 12:56 AM #10
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Imo religion and religious have become pin it on excuse words and catch all explanations for ancient artifacts that mainstream scientists and archaeologists dont understand or are trying to hush up and suppress the truth about to conceal the fact we've done this all before risen up and knocked back down again and again...
08-08-2014, 01:14 AM #11
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(08-07-2014, 11:49 AM)Octo Wrote:  Surely items were made just because they could? Like, here kiddo, I made you a dolphin, lol.

That made me LOL!! I imagine these old artifacts had more to do with commerce (as in no fiat) than religion. Status was gained with luxury which meant attractive and useless possessions.
08-08-2014, 01:54 PM #12
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(08-08-2014, 01:14 AM)Shadow Wrote:  
(08-07-2014, 11:49 AM)Octo Wrote:  Surely items were made just because they could? Like, here kiddo, I made you a dolphin, lol.

That made me LOL!! I imagine these old artifacts had more to do with commerce (as in no fiat) than religion. Status was gained with luxury which meant attractive and useless possessions.

Very interesting idea, Shadow, and so is the article below about possessions (not useless) and social strata even as far back as 7,000 years (the middle of the stone age).
http://io9.com/5914109/do-class-division...-stone-age

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