(03-04-2013, 02:24 AM)I⊥∀NIW∩LLIʞ Wrote:
(03-04-2013, 02:14 AM)Captain Six Wrote:
(03-04-2013, 01:25 AM)I⊥∀NIW∩LLIʞ Wrote: The welfare system is a joke and a large number of people cheat the system which cost billions as well.
When you test the person and they're positive the check gets cut off which much cheaper than the testing. When you weed out the people cheating the system and people using while on welfare that saves billions.
Cheating the system is fraud, which is already illegal and they can go to prison for it. That has nothing to do with what we are talking about here.
And why shouldn't a drug addict be allowed to eat, or have shelter?
Would you deny a homeless veteran a meal because he smoked a joint in the park last week?
As far as cost goes, you are dead wrong, and you obviously didn't bother to read the article. It costs over $100,000 to weed out just ONE drug user who might get $9000 a year in benefits.
The program in Florida, and earlier in Michigan proved that it costs taxpayers millions more than they saved by denying a few people benefits.
People who shouldn't be denied benefits anyway. Just because someone smoked a little weed or is a hardcore addict has NO bearing whatsoever on their need for assistance. Actually, the real addict has probably even MORE need for the assistance.
It does not matter what I would do so that argument is fallacious.
Welfare is not SSI or veteran pay and I never said anyone was a hardcore addict for smoking weed (another fallacious argument).
If a person has money for drugs they clearly don't need welfare and if they want a good job a drug test is required most of the time anyway.
I didn't say anything about SSI or veteran pay. I said should a homeless veteran be denied welfare because he smoked a joint.
I also didn't say a weed smoker was a hardcore addict. I said that neither should be rejected.
What about someone who grows their own weed? The notion that drug users are spending all of their welfare money on drugs is false anyway. For the most part, drug addictions are funded by selling drugs.
There are plenty of jobs out there that don't drug test. I don't agree with drug testing in the workplace either. But there is still a huge difference between a private company doing a drug test, and the government.
The government must have a warrant, evidence of a crime, before they can search you. You take that away from people on welfare, you might as well just light the entire Constitution on fire and smoke it.