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Why is it called a turkey? It's complicated
11-27-2014, 02:18 AM #1
Octo Mother Superior
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JR asked me not long ago why the hell turkey is called kalkkuna (fi)/kalkon (sv) here so I had to find out.

Turns out it's complicated everywhere chuckle.gif

Quote:‘Turkey’ the bird is native to North America. But ‘turkey’ the word is a geographic mess—a tribute to the vagaries of colonial trade and conquest. As you might have suspected, the English term for the avian creature likely comes from Turkey the country. Or, more precisely, from Turkish merchants in the 15th and 16th centuries.

How exactly the word 'turkey' made its way into the English language is in dispute. The linguist Mario Pei theorized that more than five centuries ago, Turks from the commercial hub of Constantinople (which the Ottomans conquered in the mid-15th century) sold wild fowl from Guinea in West Africa to European markets, leading the English to refer to the bird as “turkey cock” or “turkey coq” (coq being French for “rooster”), and eventually “turkey” for short. When British settlers arrived in Massachusetts, they applied the same terms to the wild fowl they spotted in the New World, even though the birds were a different species than their African counterparts. The etymology expert Mark Forsyth, meanwhile, claims that Turkish traders brought guinea fowl to England from Madagascar, off the coast of southeast Africa, and that Spanish conquistadors then introduced American fowl to Europe, where they were conflated with the “turkeys” from Madagascar. Dan Jurafsky, another linguist, argues that Europeans imported guinea fowl from Ethiopia (which was sometimes mixed up with India) via the Mamluk Turks, and then confused the birds with North American fowl shipped across the Atlantic by the Portuguese.

Here’s where things get even more bewildering. Turkey, which has no native turkeys, does not call turkey ‘turkey.’ The Turks “knew the bird wasn’t theirs,” Forsyth explains, so they “made a completely different mistake and called it a hindi, because they thought the bird was probably Indian.” They weren't alone. The French originally called the American bird poulet d’Inde (literally “chicken from India”), which has since been abbreviated to dinde, and similar terms exist in languages ranging from Polish to Hebrew to Catalan. Then there’s the oddly specific Dutch word kalkoen, which, as a contraction of Calicut-hoen, literally means “hen from Calicut,” a major Indian commercial center at the time. These names may have arisen from the mistaken belief at the time that the New World was the Indies, or the sense that the turkey trade passed through India.

So what is the bird called in India? It may be hindi in Turkey, but in Hindi it’s ṭarki. Some Indian dialects, however, use the word piru or peru, the latter being how the Portuguese refer to the American fowl, which is not native to Peru but may have become popular in Portugal as Spanish and Portuguese explorers conquered the New World. The expansion of Western colonialism only complicated matters: Malaysians call turkey ayam blander (“Dutch chicken”), while Cambodians opt for moan barang (“French chicken”).

The turkey’s scientific name doesn't make much more sense than its vernacular one. Its binomial nomenclature, Meleagris gallopavo, is a hodgepodge. The first name comes from a Greek myth in which the goddess Artemis turned the grieving sisters of the slain Meleager into guinea fowls. The second name is a portmanteau: Gallo is derived from the Latin word for rooster, gallus, while pavo is the Latin word for peacock. So, effectively, the official name for a turkey is guinea-fowl-rooster-peacock.

There are numerous Native American words for the bird, including the Blackfoot term omahksipi’kssii, which literally means “big bird.” It’s a bit vague, sure, but it certainly beats guinea-fowl-rooster-peacock.

Read it all at http://www.theatlantic.com/international...ey/383225/


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11-27-2014, 08:50 AM #2
farmer Member
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Great post Octo, last year I heard the same confusing story from a Turkish friend that I grow with. Yours was more elaborate in detail, yet it was the same story.
11-27-2014, 02:02 PM #3
Octo Mother Superior
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It's a linguistic clusterfuck for sure chuckle.gif
11-27-2014, 03:41 PM #4
Accidental Stoner Member
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Very interesting.

Thx for posting!

Absolutely hated the gif.

11-27-2014, 04:10 PM #5
Cloud Atlas Member
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Turkey is just one word ............. you're suprised?
Translations, interpretations, and pronounciations are like putting food into a liquidiser; if you have'nt seen what went in, you never know what is that came out.

What about this then:

........ so if you hear all Italians speaking in English, you might easily say "Italians like a fok while eating", then the next chap to you, for better grammar corrections would easily say: "Italians like to fuck while eating"


“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others, past and present, and by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future.” ― David Mitchell
11-27-2014, 04:18 PM #6
Octo Mother Superior
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It's like a game of broken telephone. It's in the nature of language




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