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Will Indians ever get and reparation for what they went through?
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08-17-2013, 06:53 PM #1
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
Indians weren't even used as slaves , they were slaughtered by the thousands for their land, which was rightfully theirs! Will they ever get any type of reparation for what they were put through , or are they last on the list of people to help? Wonder when we will have an Indian for a President, It'd be nice to have someone in office that has respect for the land and its environment?!!
08-17-2013, 11:46 PM #2
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
The tribes get to have Casinos when no one else can,,,

the tribes have resorts and ski resorts,,,

own the hunting and fishing on their land,,,

have their own law and enforcement,,,

they get free Medical and Dental,,,

they get free Money,,,

they get free College,,,

small compensation,,,for the damage done,,,

but probably more than most conquered get...

(:X
08-18-2013, 12:17 AM #3
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Oh,,,and free housing too,,,

sometimes this is pretty sorry,,,

like a trailer house or something,,,

but yeah,,,the Indians didn't always get along,,,

so kinda hard to figure out the boundaries anyway...

(:X
08-18-2013, 12:20 AM #4
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,782 Threads:1,182 Joined:Feb 2011
I don't know what the solution is here. Pretty much what you say Softy, just add they don't pay taxes. But they're wards of the government, don't own their land, just sort of in limbo. There's reserves North of me here in BC who bailed out of the Indian status thing, accepted a settlement, got deeds to their property and are ... assimilated (for lack of a better word) and are doing very well.
08-18-2013, 12:32 AM #5
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Shadow,

The proposal of the Mescalero Apache Indians to host a nuclear waste storage facility raised difficult questions about political sovereignty...

yeah,,,it is hard to tell,,,once again,,,who really owns what,,,

they pretty much own the Reservations,,,

until oil or gold is found,,,

(:X
08-18-2013, 12:52 AM #6
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,782 Threads:1,182 Joined:Feb 2011
Hi Softy, in Canada they don't own the land only the right to live on it. It's a sad issue. Out west Imperial Metals wants to buld a gold/copper mine at Fish Lake. it isn't reserve land but the indians claim it as hunting land and have been holding up the mine start up for 20 years or more saying it'll pollute the area which indeed it might. The tribe that lives there and claims the land some 600,000 Ha (don't quote me on that) is Nehemiah band and they are pretty poor. They survive on welfare because there are absolutely no jobs, so remote last I heard they didn't even have electricity. Children are malnutritioned and alcoholism in age 12+ is 100%. So what would a huge project like this do for the community? Sad to say but there are some chiefs that grow extremely wealthy playing the culture card while the rest on the reserve starve. And the chiefs are the ones you see in the MSM yelling about living off the land but driving $80k trucks and sending their kids to private school in Vancouver. lol
08-18-2013, 01:33 AM #7
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi Shadow,

Well it sounds like things are the same in both coutries,,,

Alcoholism is bad news for many of the tribes here,,,

they don't have the genetics for it,,,they don't have

an enzyme or something to break it down,,,all I know is

I have been around many when they were "drunk" and

it is not a pretty site,,,they go full scale crazy,,,out of their

minds with this stuff,,,and it is a major problem here in

New Mexico,,,and they kept the Nuclear Waste off the

Reservation,,,for now,,,of course some wanted the "money",,,

and the jobs,,,but most against it,,,New Mexico only has a

population of 2.1 million,,,BC looks like 4.4 million,,,so you can

probably relate to the fact that we don't have much political

pull,,,meaning they could care less about us except in close

elections,,,then all of a sudden they all show up,,,we are becoming

the Nation's trash can,,,we have another Nuclear site which

was not supposed to be over ground water,,,and now has been

found to be,,,so it is only supposed to have low level waste,,,

but now they have decided that some "hot" stuff is ok,,,just

a little you know,,,we have trash coming from New York City,,,

to be buried out here,,,sure it was fought,,,but they got

10 million people,,,shipping by train,,,"""TRASH""",,,all the way to

New Mexico,,,they must have money to burn,,,oh that's right,,,

printing up more everyday,,,end of rant...

(:X
08-18-2013, 02:15 AM #8
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Ok,,,not end of rant,,,

AS MAJOR U.S. CITIES FACE the closure of key regional landfills in the next dozen years, they may begin a large-scale move to waste-by-rail, the shipment of municipal solid waste (MSW) in railroad cars to distant landfills. “After 2009, chances are, we'll see more opportunities for larger MSW waste trains,”

Herzog Environmental Inc., a St. Joseph, Mo.-based subsidiary of a railroad construction and maintenance company, hauls waste by rail to its 1,300-acre landfill near Wagon Mound, N.M. Waste flowing into this facility comes from communities located in New Mexico, Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas.

And the landfills are, indeed, filling up. Take the case of New York City. Since the closure of Fresh Kills Landfill, the city no longer disposes of any solid waste within its city limits. All of New York's waste is transported by truck, barge and rail outside of the city.

Los Angeles County is wrestling with the prospect of hauling its waste by rail as well.
Nine years from now, in November 2013, Puente Hills will close. At that time, LACSD's carefully balanced division of labor will break down with the loss of 13,000 tons per day of disposal capacity. “Because it has become so difficult to find and permit new landfills, we have to evolve a rail haul capability over the next few years,” Haworth says.

LACSD must balance all of these concerns against the ironclad deadline for the closure of the Puente Hills landfill: In November of 2013, 13,000 tons of trash per day will have nowhere in Los Angeles County to go. And as with other communities like New York facing shrinking disposal space, waste-by-rail may be the county's only alternative.

http://waste360.com/mag/waste_getting_track

so the game they play is open a small 1300 acre (two square miles) area,,,

fill it up,,,and open another one,,,and another one,,,and another one,,,

so at any point in time,,,they say,,,oh it is just a little two square miles,,,

this article is from 2004,,,nine years ago,,,it is happening now,,,

and they are talking to the Reservations,,,because they can cut the deal

on their own,,,and this is fine,,,until they pollute the ground water,,,

which there is precious little of in New Mexico,,,and then big problem,,,

and the company is gone...

(:X
08-18-2013, 12:31 PM #9
quil Member
Posts:6 Threads:0 Joined:Aug 2013
(08-17-2013, 11:46 PM)Softy Wrote:  The tribes get to have Casinos when no one else can,,,

the tribes have resorts and ski resorts,,,

own the hunting and fishing on their land,,,

have their own law and enforcement,,,

they get free Medical and Dental,,,

they get free Money,,,

they get free College,,,

small compensation,,,for the damage done,,,

but probably more than most conquered get...
i
(:X

united states indians are quasi sovereign while canadian injuns have no standing what so ever. and as far as free money, housing , medical etc etc......if i come and take your families land holdings away and put u in a corner and give you bits and pieces of what i have tooken from your family and not let you travel freely like your forefathers have been doing for thousands of years because as far as i am conserned your are part of MY country not yours, what would you feel about that?
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08-18-2013, 12:50 PM #10
Anonymous Kritter Incognito Anonymous
 
(08-17-2013, 06:53 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  Indians weren't even used as slaves , they were slaughtered by the thousands for their land, which was rightfully theirs! Will they ever get any type of reparation for what they were put through , or are they last on the list of people to help? Wonder when we will have an Indian for a President, It'd be nice to have someone in office that has respect for the land and its environment?!!


No. But they should. I don't mean money I mean eye for an eye.
08-18-2013, 01:01 PM #11
JayRodney ⓐⓛⓘⓔⓝ
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cheers.gif Welcome to Kbox quil!

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08-18-2013, 01:15 PM #12
quil Member
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(08-18-2013, 01:01 PM)JayRodney Wrote:  cheers.gif Welcome to Kbox quil!

nice to of found this place. i was just surfing the web and now here i am . i appreciate the welcome thnx
08-18-2013, 01:18 PM #13
Octo Mother Superior
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Yes welcome cheers.gif Nice thing you found us.

Now the Native Americans aren't of course the only natives to have been persecuted, over here we have or ouwn natives, the Sami people who were pretty much objected to the same sort of treatment. Ok, I don't think they received blankets, but pretty bad and shameful behavior anyway.
08-18-2013, 05:31 PM #14
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
(08-18-2013, 12:31 PM)quil Wrote:  
(08-17-2013, 11:46 PM)Softy Wrote:  The tribes get to have Casinos when no one else can,,,

the tribes have resorts and ski resorts,,,

own the hunting and fishing on their land,,,

have their own law and enforcement,,,

they get free Medical and Dental,,,

they get free Money,,,

they get free College,,,

small compensation,,,for the damage done,,,

but probably more than most conquered get...
i
(:X

united states indians are quasi sovereign while canadian injuns have no standing what so ever. and as far as free money, housing , medical etc etc......if i come and take your families land holdings away and put u in a corner and give you bits and pieces of what i have tooken from your family and not let you travel freely like your forefathers have been doing for thousands of years because as far as i am conserned your are part of MY country not yours, what would you feel about that?


well now I would not like it,,,

and no way can it all be justified,,,

question is what are reparations???,,,

that is reparations,,,

not much,,,not fair,,,still,,,Indians have a saying,,,

You own what you can hold...

(:X


08-18-2013, 05:43 PM #15
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
Posts:12,782 Threads:1,182 Joined:Feb 2011
When I was looking for work a couple years ago... there's an ad in the paper for a GIS tech with silviculture experience. I'm a silviculturist working on an advanced diploma in GIS. When I applied for the job I was told preference would be given to those of native background. They hired a native tree planter with a GPS in his truck lmao.gif

Thing is, how the gov.s doing it isn't working. Jeez, give them dignity and opportunity not because they're status but because they earn it.



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