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World's oldest beer to be recreated
03-14-2013, 04:02 PM #1
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Åland brewery to reproduce shipwreck beer

A local Åland brewery has taken on the challenge of reproducing a beer found on a 19th century shipwreck salvaged from the Åland archipelago in southwest Finland back in 2010. The new brew is expected to hit the shelves in time for summer 2014.

The autonomous Åland regional government has inked a deal with a local brewery, Stallhagen, to reproduce the beer found in a shipwreck back in 2010. At the time, divers recovered several bottles of aged champagne as well as five bottles of beer. The schooner is believed to have gone down in the 1840s but its origin and exact age are still being determined.

The Technical Research Centre of Finland, VTT, has analysed the beer, which had hitherto lain on the seabed at a depth of 50 metres for about 170 years. Brewers at Stallhagen will use the analysis to create a modern version of the tipple next year. Part of the proceeds from sales of the new brew will be donated to charitable causes.

“We are above all very happy about this cooperation with a local brewery. We are also pleased that our agreement with Stallhagen ensures that part of the proceeds from every beer sold will be donated to charity. The Åland government has decided to use these funds to support marine archaeological research as well as conservation programmes to improve the quality of the marine environment,” said Johan Ehn, Culture Minister in the Åland government.

The Stallhagen has now started work on developing a recipe for the beer with the aim of beginning production later this year. Beer lovers can look forward to sipping the new version of the shipwreck beer at beginning of June next year.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/aland_brewery_to_r...er/6537428

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03-14-2013, 06:55 PM #2
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After 170 or so years stored in the cold dark depths of the ocean, I'd bet it is probably still good!

I'd try it... but then...

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03-14-2013, 06:59 PM #3
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WOW !

finally a chance for old farts to get drunk on old beer ,,, Novel Concept actually

gotta love the thinkers of the World chuckle.gif
03-14-2013, 07:03 PM #4
Octo Mother Superior
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I think they did try the beer and it was good. beercheer.gif
03-14-2013, 09:17 PM #5
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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World's oldest beer - 1800's? 13.gif

Quote:Ale is one of the oldest beverages humans have produced, dating back to at least the 5th millennium BC and recorded in the written history of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Quote:A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer


Here is the poem:

http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html
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03-14-2013, 09:41 PM #6
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It's all about the yeast so I assume they found some they could culture?

Can't accurately recreate any brew without the yeast.

When the same yeast is used for many years it changes. It adapts to that particular brew. Refining the characteristics it imparts. It is no longer the same yeast it started out as and you can not brew the same beer without it even if you use the same process with the exact same ingredients.
03-14-2013, 09:46 PM #7
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(03-14-2013, 09:17 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  World's oldest beer - 1800's? 13.gif

Quote:Ale is one of the oldest beverages humans have produced, dating back to at least the 5th millennium BC and recorded in the written history of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Quote:A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer


Here is the poem:

http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html


World's oldest beer as in bottled stuff. Would be crazy awesome if they found preserved beer in the pyramids, but I guess that's not gonna happen.
03-14-2013, 09:52 PM #8
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(03-14-2013, 09:41 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  It's all about the yeast so I assume they found some they could culture?

Can't accurately recreate any brew without the yeast.

When the same yeast is used for many years it changes. It adapts to that particular brew. Refining the characteristics it imparts. It is no longer the same yeast it started out as and you can not brew the same beer without it even if you use the same process with the exact same ingredients.


Yes, that makes alot of sense.
03-14-2013, 09:52 PM #9
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(03-14-2013, 09:46 PM)Octo Wrote:  
(03-14-2013, 09:17 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  World's oldest beer - 1800's? 13.gif

Quote:Ale is one of the oldest beverages humans have produced, dating back to at least the 5th millennium BC and recorded in the written history of Ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia.

Quote:A 3900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer


Here is the poem:

http://www.piney.com/BabNinkasi.html


World's oldest beer as in bottled stuff. Would be crazy awesome if they found preserved beer in the pyramids, but I guess that's not gonna happen.


Oh, nevermind.
03-14-2013, 10:02 PM #10
Octo Mother Superior
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I don't mind at all beerbong.gif
03-15-2013, 01:52 AM #11
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I'm assuming, rightly or wrongly, that this beer contains hops. If so, I'd be curious if the exact same genetic strains still exist and how the scientists would know if it was dry hopped as well as with a bittering hop in the original mash.

I guess they would give of different chemical signatures, but the chemists would have to have a complete knowledge on the subject.
03-15-2013, 01:58 AM #12
Octo Mother Superior
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If the beer is going commercial I doubt it will be available info, but yes it most likely contains hops as it has been used in brewing here for hundreds of years.
03-15-2013, 02:06 AM #13
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(03-14-2013, 09:52 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-14-2013, 09:41 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  It's all about the yeast so I assume they found some they could culture?

Can't accurately recreate any brew without the yeast.

When the same yeast is used for many years it changes. It adapts to that particular brew. Refining the characteristics it imparts. It is no longer the same yeast it started out as and you can not brew the same beer without it even if you use the same process with the exact same ingredients.


Yes, that makes alot of sense.


Therefore, what you are implying is that this company will never be able to replicate it.
03-15-2013, 02:09 AM #14
Octo Mother Superior
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This company is not for everybody chuckle.gif
03-15-2013, 03:42 AM #15
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(03-15-2013, 02:06 AM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-14-2013, 09:52 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(03-14-2013, 09:41 PM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  It's all about the yeast so I assume they found some they could culture?

Can't accurately recreate any brew without the yeast.

When the same yeast is used for many years it changes. It adapts to that particular brew. Refining the characteristics it imparts. It is no longer the same yeast it started out as and you can not brew the same beer without it even if you use the same process with the exact same ingredients.


Yes, that makes alot of sense.


Therefore, what you are implying is that this company will never be able to replicate it.


If they have access to a bottle of the beer, I'm sure that, even aftar all this time, they should be able to cultivate it.

But, seriously, who is there to taste it and complain it's not the same beer they remember? lmao.gif

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