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if you were God on this planet, what would you do to hide your identity so no one would know or believe who you are?
09-28-2013, 02:16 AM #31
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(09-27-2013, 06:51 AM)Hyperthermal Wrote:  
(09-27-2013, 06:16 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(09-27-2013, 02:30 AM)Hyperthermal Wrote:  
(09-26-2013, 11:11 PM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(09-26-2013, 04:51 PM)Hyperthermal Wrote:  Free will? Are you certain of that?
Or is everything preordained?
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Through your own free will you are free to believe in preordination if you wish.

The concept doesn't work for me, so I choose not to accept it. wave.gif
But God knows the future. He knows what choices you're going to make. After all, He's God. It seems to me that if one believes in an omniscient Creator, one must come to the logical conclusion that everything is preordained. Isn't everything "God's will"?

It's a circular argument. You're free to make it.

The problem with the logic is that God doesn't see the Future. God is the Now. The future is something we've dreamed up.

How is my argument circular? It has only one premise, i.e. God is omniscient. Isn't infinite knowledge one of the defining qualities of God? Is it your contention that there are indeed limits to God's knowledge?

If one agrees with the premise that God is omniscient, the conclusion is straightforward and entirely linear. God already knows what your choices will be thus everything must be preordained.

Did you miss part of my answer? There is no such thing as the future being known except as an illusion. God only knows the Now which is all there is. God doesn't control the future because it doesn't exist.

Secondly, how do you know whether God is omniscient? Just because someone claims that in a book doesn't make it so. Maybe God loves surprises just as much as we do!

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09-28-2013, 02:21 AM #32
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I'm not particularly crazy about surprises. 13.gif
09-28-2013, 03:05 AM #33
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Hi BAG,

HE knew we were going to multiply and rape the earth,,,

anyone can say what they will,,,fact is this was written long ago,,,

and down through the ages,,,they had a problem with this word,,,

subdue,,,just couldn't really figure it out,,,nowadays,,,it has gotten clearer...

Genesis 1:28: “God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it;

the word “subdue”,,,

In Hebrew this is kabash,,,

it does mean “subdue” or “enslave”,,,

and even in the harshest instances “molest” or “rape"...

(:X
09-28-2013, 03:10 AM #34
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he knows this is a fallen universe..correction will come

"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
09-28-2013, 03:16 AM #35
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I think everything is as it should be.
09-28-2013, 03:21 AM #36
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"when life gives you lemons..throw them at someone"...Grumpy Cat good.png
09-28-2013, 03:22 AM #37
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09-28-2013, 04:10 AM #38
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(09-28-2013, 03:10 AM)j browsing Wrote:  he knows this is a fallen universe..correction will come

God only knows the Now which is all there is. God doesn't control the future because it doesn't exist.

I like the way you know what HE knows,,,

and that is alot...

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(:X
09-28-2013, 05:03 AM #39
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(09-28-2013, 04:10 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(09-28-2013, 03:10 AM)j browsing Wrote:  he knows this is a fallen universe..correction will come

God only knows the Now which is all there is. God doesn't control the future because it doesn't exist.

I like the way you know what HE knows,,,

and that is alot...

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(:X

Me and God, we talk. chuckle.gif

Ponder this. No one has ever found God in the past or the future, only in the Now. Thus, based on experience, God doesn't exist in the future or the past. That is what leads me to believe if God isn't there, then it doesn't really exist because, as they say, God is in all things. God is not in the things that aren't real. Hence, the past and future are not real. I could be wrong; it's just how I see it.

Yes we can have a memory of something, but it is a memory, not the actual thing.

If you bring your awareness to the Now, then you have the experience of God. God is not a HE or a SHE. God is an energy. We don't usually ascribe gender to energies. "IT" is a wave. A Frequency. A sound.

Pray for me. hug.gif
09-28-2013, 05:05 AM #40
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(09-28-2013, 02:21 AM)Octo Wrote:  I'm not particularly crazy about surprises. 13.gif

Den you must be da debil! chuckle.gif

Pray for me. hug.gif
09-28-2013, 05:10 AM #41
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I must be

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09-28-2013, 06:48 AM #42
Softy Incognito Anonymous
 
Hi BAG,

Thanks for the explain,,,

thought it was getting warm in here...

(:X
09-28-2013, 07:35 AM #43
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(09-28-2013, 06:48 AM)Softy Wrote:  Hi BAG,

Thanks for the explain,,,

thought it was getting warm in here...

(:X

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Pray for me. hug.gif
09-28-2013, 09:35 AM #44
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(09-28-2013, 05:03 AM)Below Average Genius Wrote:  
(09-28-2013, 04:10 AM)Softy Wrote:  
(09-28-2013, 03:10 AM)j browsing Wrote:  he knows this is a fallen universe..correction will come

God only knows the Now which is all there is. God doesn't control the future because it doesn't exist.

I like the way you know what HE knows,,,

and that is alot...

chuckle.gif

(:X

Me and God, we talk. chuckle.gif

Ponder this. No one has ever found God in the past or the future, only in the Now. Thus, based on experience, God doesn't exist in the future or the past. That is what leads me to believe if God isn't there, then it doesn't really exist because, as they say, God is in all things. God is not in the things that aren't real. Hence, the past and future are not real. I could be wrong; it's just how I see it.

Yes we can have a memory of something, but it is a memory, not the actual thing.

If you bring your awareness to the Now, then you have the experience of God. God is not a HE or a SHE. God is an energy. We don't usually ascribe gender to energies. "IT" is a wave. A Frequency. A sound.
Ok. Then as it turns out, our views of the actual nature of "God" are very similar. The hypothetical God I described in earlier posts is closer to the Abrahamic deity found in the Bible/Torah/Quran. Such a being, IMHO, is utter fantasy. In either case, God=Source Energy or God=Omnipotent Super Being, the premise of the OP is just plain silly.
09-28-2013, 10:03 AM #45
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(09-24-2013, 08:44 AM)Anonymous Kritter Wrote:  This has been on my mind for a few days to prove a point to some! So how would you hide your identity to keep people from finding out until you feel it is time? What could you do to keep people from ever believing you? How well could you keep quiet while changing the world? Would you want some to know you sooner or later or would you stay hidden? Would you hang with junkies to blend and try to help them and their life out, or would you go to the rich and try to sway their rudimentary views on religion? Curious, let me know, inquiring minds want to know...?

To answer your question a little more directly, everyone on this planet is already doing what you propose, except they don't know who they are. So look around at the 6 or 7 billion people, and you'll see how it is done.





There are some people, a tiny minority, who do understand who they are. Most don't spend too much time trying to recruit people to get with the program because this tiny minority are seeing the good in people to the point where they don't sweat the small stuff. They also realize everyone will at some point wake up.

Rather than trying to force the rose open, they let the petals open of their own accord. It's a beautiful thing to love people just where they are.

I'm still working on it, in case you're wondering. <--- I have to say that so I don't blow my cover. chuckle.gif

When you're doing it - living in the loving of Now - some people will gravitate to you because the love is what they want more of. Meanwhile, sometimes the love scares people, so they might react in a totally different way.

Pray for me. hug.gif



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