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06-23-2014, 05:42 PM #31
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(06-23-2014, 05:38 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What needs to happen here is for "radical" Islamic beliefs to be identified and dealt with accordingly so as not to impede upon our cultural and religious choices and freedoms.

Morning US wave.gif Sorry if I sound rude, don't mean to be, but isn't that a little ironic?
06-23-2014, 05:42 PM #32
j browsing Member
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(06-23-2014, 05:38 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 05:07 PM)j browsing Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 04:59 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Don't any muslims question the various interpretations and theories of their religious writings? Is it truely a lack of education and continuous indoctrination of the masses to hate/destroy those that are are different or have different religious beliefs?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenf...m-obesity/ they want the world to convert to their religion..

What needs to happen here is for "radical" Islamic beliefs to be identified and dealt with accordingly so as not to impede upon our cultural and religious choices and freedoms.
it's terrible how women are treated in this culture..my husband and I witnessed it first handsad2.gif

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06-23-2014, 05:48 PM #33
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-23-2014, 05:42 PM)Shadow Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 05:38 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  What needs to happen here is for "radical" Islamic beliefs to be identified and dealt with accordingly so as not to impede upon our cultural and religious choices and freedoms.

Morning US wave.gif Sorry if I sound rude, don't mean to be, but isn't that a little ironic?

How so? Wasn't there a time of radical Christianity as well (missionaries and Holy wars). Unless you believe all Muslims are radicals in their religious beliefs; I don't.
06-23-2014, 05:50 PM #34
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-23-2014, 05:42 PM)j browsing Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 05:38 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 05:07 PM)j browsing Wrote:  
(06-23-2014, 04:59 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Don't any muslims question the various interpretations and theories of their religious writings? Is it truely a lack of education and continuous indoctrination of the masses to hate/destroy those that are are different or have different religious beliefs?
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenf...m-obesity/ they want the world to convert to their religion..

What needs to happen here is for "radical" Islamic beliefs to be identified and dealt with accordingly so as not to impede upon our cultural and religious choices and freedoms.
it's terrible how women are treated in this culture..my husband and I witnessed it first handsad2.gif

sad2.gif I witness it right here in Canada (in a higher educational institutional setting); it's hypocritical in so many ways.
06-23-2014, 05:52 PM #35
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Just the implication that you (meaning someone) get to decide someone else's cultural and religious freedoms.

JB how they treat women is why I don't have an Arabic country on my travel list damned.gif but it's for them to sort out. Christians did eventually. lol
06-23-2014, 05:58 PM #36
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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(06-23-2014, 05:52 PM)Shadow Wrote:  Just the implication that you (meaning someone) get to decide someone else's cultural and religious freedoms.

I didn't say I get to decide that, but that we as a cultural society or individual religious societies get to decide whether or not our rights and freedoms are being trod upon by others. But, yes, I do get to decide for myself when and if my personal freedoms, culture or religious beliefs are being tred upon by someone else. For instance, someone calling for me to stop saying 'Merry Christmas', which I have been doing for the past 55 years, because it offends their religion.

I wanted to highlight the 'radical' aspect of some religions or people that come to our countries for what? freedom? and bring with them their intolerance of our freedoms and culture.
06-23-2014, 06:03 PM #37
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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(06-23-2014, 05:58 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  I wanted to highlight the 'radical' aspect of some religions or people that come to our countries for what? freedom? and bring with them their intolerance of our freedoms and culture.

Point taken and I agree. But it's not Muslims or Hindus or Christians who decide our cultural and religious freedom, it's our own governments. I think we'd get along fine without being told how to.

06-23-2014, 07:03 PM #38
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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As in jb's video, depicting how the "Middle East" has formed in Dearborn, MI, bringing with it intolerance, discrimination, and who knows what is to come next.
06-23-2014, 07:44 PM #39
j browsing Member
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there was even a proposal at a Dearborn city council meeting to implement sharia law this past winter

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06-23-2014, 07:47 PM #40
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İmageDEARBORN — This week’s city council meeting started out on a positive note as the city honored former Seattle Seahawks assistant coach and Dearborn native Robert Saleh for his recent Super Bowl victory. However, the atmosphere at City Hall took a bizarre turn after a local Arab American confronted the council on what he said were “troubling issues in the city.”…

The highlight of the evening came at the very end during the public comment section, when a local Arab American took the podium to address concerns he had with the city. The man, who identified himself as Hassan, stated that he lived in Westland but had concerns he wanted to address as an individual who works in the city. He refused to publicly give his address fearing for the safety of his family.

After referencing Prophet Muhammad and loudly chanting Islamic prayers, Hassan said that the city needed to monitor neighborhood parks around the clock because people have been using them to conduct sexual activities. Council President Susan Dabaja, however, told him that the city doesn’t have the resources or money for increased security at parks and asked him to move on to his next point.[url]While there are individuals who identify themselves as Muslims who do not seek to impose Sharia on the world, there still exists a Global Islamic Movement which seeks to do just that through all means possible including armed conflict. Woven into Sharia is the self-protective measure of lying to the unbeliever in order to further the Jihad until the war is won. As a matter of fact, lying to the infidel is obligatory if the goal is obligatory—Jihad is obligatory in the Sharia until the world is claimed for Islam.http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/02/dearbo...ree-speech

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06-23-2014, 08:37 PM #41
UniqueStranger Art in my heart
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THE SOCIOLOGICAL PROBLEM OF CULTURE: (I copy/pasted it being originally in upper case)

{SOCIO-HISTORICAL ASIDE: ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE WOMEN’S STRUGGLES AROUND THE WORLD REVEAL THAT CULTURE AND CULTURAL TRADITIONS ARE TYPICALLY “AND RELENTLESSLY” RESISTANT TO CHANGE

THERE IS A COMPLEX AND ONGOING HISTORY OF WOMEN’S RESISTANCE AND THE RESISTANCE TO THEIR RESISTANCE.

****ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE WOMEN’S MOVEMENT MUST DEAL WITH THE RANGE AND SCALE OF THE “COUNTER-REVOLUTION” OR BACKLASH THAT THE MOVEMENT HAS UNLEASHED.

[[[[EX: “21ST CENTURY NOTIONS OF GENDER EQUALITY" ARE NOT AS RUDIMENTARY {“ROOTED”} AS MIGHT BE SUPPOSED ====> “THE MONTREAL MASSACRE”

--------------

Here's a good read jb.

http://www.yorku.ca/lfoster/2005-06/soci...rcise.html
06-23-2014, 08:52 PM #42
j browsing Member
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just read some of it..read the rest later..very good ..it exposes the abuse..i had my hands full years back with a muslim woman and arranged marriage..happening right here in the states..i also witnessed a muslim woman taken to a muslim obgyn who was also muslim by her husband,,she was not allowed to speak..we would go to the park and the muslims were taking it over..they would arrive with all their picnic stuff..make all the women carry it..they have ruined a lot if public parks here..they leave picnic sites filthy with garbage and wash their feet in the drinking fountains..finally the park shut off all the fountains and water for bathroom sinks damned.gif and I have witnessed the practice of polygamy ..some muslim coutries still practice that ..and they come here and defy the law and bring their herd of wives if you or I did that I am positive someone would throw are ass in jail

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06-23-2014, 09:18 PM #43
Octo Mother Superior
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Maybe a bit off topic, but I ran across this and found it a little interesting

For Iran's women, makeup speaks volumes

Everyday wearing of makeup is probably more common in Iran, an Islamic republic, than in some liberal western countries. It is a rare opportunity to parade one's beauty without fear of official censure.

With a female population of more than 38 million, Iran is the second-largest cosmetics market in the Middle East in terms of revenue, behind Saudi Arabia, and the world's seventh biggest.

https://news.yahoo.com/irans-women-makeu...41511.html
06-23-2014, 09:24 PM #44
j browsing Member
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thank you for posting that octo..hug.gif I know Christian arab women who wear make up and dress in style and they are very attractive..a Christian arab family bought the brewery and restaurant here in town..very nice folks ..and the beer and food is excellent

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06-23-2014, 11:19 PM #45
Shadow Mrs. Buckwheat
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Personal anecdotes speak so much more than what the media and politicians tell us.



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