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05-14-2013, 10:21 PM #106
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(05-14-2013, 09:57 PM)j browsing Wrote:  women abuse their kids and get away with it..NO not in the times which we live..teachers other relatives neighbors report child abuse and the women does get arrested BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING in the schools especially for signs of child abuse and will not hesitate to call DCS


Don't forget, I am a first-responder, I know how the system works, I have seen the cases, I have written the paperwork Sadly enough, I have seen more instances of FAMILIES being harassed and broken up on the slightest accusation of abuse, when the father was still a part of the family.

When it is a single mother, most complaints fall on deaf ears, EVEN when there are allegations of sexual abuse by the mother's new boyfriend, and other strong evidence to show abuse and neglect.

If a man tries to get custody of their children, it is impossible, except in these instances of terrible abuse and neglect. And even in those cases, it often takes years.

I have seen this on a personal level too, with two very good friends of mine, who now have custody of their children. One of the fathers is STILL REQUIRED TO PAY SUPPORT even though he has full custody, and the mother still gets foodstamps for the child who does not even live with her any more. That woman also has several other children by different men and lives with a convicted child molester. And to look at her you would never imagine the sort of person she is. Outwardly, she is a textbook white middle class Mom.

05-14-2013, 10:24 PM #107
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(05-14-2013, 10:15 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Those men were free to get vacectomies. Yet another point made where men walk away from taking any responsibility.

The courts award custody to the mothers and not the fathers for good reason.


And those women were free to get their tubes tied. What does that prove?

In fact, those women were free to go on the pill, the patch, the shot, the ring, the sponge, to abstain during ovulation, insist that the man wear a condom, were free to keep their legs closed, and ultimately... it is women and women alone who are free to choose abortion without the consent of the man.

So now let's talk about who the REAL irresponsible party is in THAT equation.
05-14-2013, 10:25 PM #108
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(05-14-2013, 10:24 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:15 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Those men were free to get vacectomies. Yet another point made where men walk away from taking any responsibility.

The courts award custody to the mothers and not the fathers for good reason.


And those women were free to get their tubes tied. What does that prove?

In fact, those women were free to go on the pill, the patch, the shot, the ring, the sponge, to abstain during ovulation, insist that the man wear a condom, were free to keep their legs closed, and ultimately... it is women and women alone who are free to choose abortion without the consent of the man.

So now let's talk about who the REAL irresponsible party is in THAT equation.


That argument doesn't jive because you are asuming the women didn't want kids to begin with. Grasping Jack?
05-14-2013, 10:27 PM #109
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(05-14-2013, 10:21 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 09:57 PM)j browsing Wrote:  women abuse their kids and get away with it..NO not in the times which we live..teachers other relatives neighbors report child abuse and the women does get arrested BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING in the schools especially for signs of child abuse and will not hesitate to call DCS


Don't forget, I am a first-responder, I know how the system works, I have seen the cases, I have written the paperwork Sadly enough, I have seen more instances of FAMILIES being harassed and broken up on the slightest accusation of abuse, when the father was still a part of the family.

When it is a single mother, most complaints fall on deaf ears, EVEN when there are allegations of sexual abuse by the mother's new boyfriend, and other strong evidence to show abuse and neglect.

If a man tries to get custody of their children, it is impossible, except in these instances of terrible abuse and neglect. And even in those cases, it often takes years.

I have seen this on a personal level too, with two very good friends of mine, who now have custody of their children. One of the fathers is STILL REQUIRED TO PAY SUPPORT even though he has full custody, and the mother still gets foodstamps for the child who does not even live with her any more. That woman also has several other children by different men and lives with a convicted child molester. And to look at her you would never imagine the sort of person she is. Outwardly, she is a textbook white middle class Mom.


But you weren't sitting in the courts listening to the cases...I was.
05-14-2013, 10:29 PM #110
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(05-14-2013, 10:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  That argument doesn't jive because you are asuming the women didn't want kids to begin with. Grasping Jack?


And you are assuming that the men did.

I got news for you sunshine, if you ain't married, you don't belong having kids.
05-14-2013, 10:32 PM #111
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(05-14-2013, 10:29 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:25 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  That argument doesn't jive because you are asuming the women didn't want kids to begin with. Grasping Jack?


And you are assuming that the men did.

I got news for you sunshine, if you ain't married, you don't belong having kids.


No, you said that the women got pregnant when the men didn't want kids. If that was the case the men should have gotten vasectomies...there problem solved.

What decade are you living in?
05-14-2013, 10:35 PM #112
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(05-14-2013, 10:21 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 09:57 PM)j browsing Wrote:  women abuse their kids and get away with it..NO not in the times which we live..teachers other relatives neighbors report child abuse and the women does get arrested BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING in the schools especially for signs of child abuse and will not hesitate to call DCS


Don't forget, I am a first-responder, I know how the system works, I have seen the cases, I have written the paperwork Sadly enough, I have seen more instances of FAMILIES being harassed and broken up on the slightest accusation of abuse, when the father was still a part of the family.

When it is a single mother, most complaints fall on deaf ears, EVEN when there are allegations of sexual abuse by the mother's new boyfriend, and other strong evidence to show abuse and neglect.

If a man tries to get custody of their children, it is impossible, except in these instances of terrible abuse and neglect. And even in those cases, it often takes years.

I have seen this on a personal level too, with two very good friends of mine, who now have custody of their children. One of the fathers is STILL REQUIRED TO PAY SUPPORT even though he has full custody, and the mother still gets foodstamps for the child who does not even live with her any more. That woman also has several other children by different men and lives with a convicted child molester. And to look at her you would never imagine the sort of person she is. Outwardly, she is a textbook white middle class Mom.
I didn't know they called first responders for child abuse cases..by first responder do you mean you are a police officer or work for the dept of child welfare? and if a child is taken to the hosp and the doc suspects child abuse he or she is the one who contacts the authorties

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05-14-2013, 10:35 PM #113
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(05-14-2013, 10:27 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  But you weren't sitting in the courts listening to the cases...I was.


I didn't have to listen to the cases. I was there. When was the last time you treated and transported a 4 year old with a broken arm that was found duct tape to a wall in a closet, to keep her "safe" from the 3 pitbulls that the mother had running around the 1 bedroom apartment, because pits are so "cool."

When was the last time you treated and transported a 16-month old with 4 broken ribs and a broken collar bone, who had been suffering like that for more than a week, but the mother was too busy to call for help when the baby "fell" off the high-chair.

When was the last time you treated and transported a five-year old boy who's rectum and genitals were mutilated by his mother because she was angry at men?
05-14-2013, 10:36 PM #114
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(05-14-2013, 10:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  No, you said that the women got pregnant when the men didn't want kids. If that was the case the men should have gotten vasectomies...there problem solved.

What decade are you living in?


Having sex with someone does not mean you want to have children with them necessarily. If that's the case, then time for a new law that women need consent of the father to have an abortion.
05-14-2013, 10:41 PM #115
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(05-14-2013, 10:35 PM)j browsing Wrote:  I didn't know they called first responders for child abuse cases..by first responder do you mean you are a police officer or work for the dept of child welfare? and if a child is taken to the hosp and the doc suspects child abuse he or she is the one who contacts the authorties


First-responders are emergency responders. Fire/EMS/Police

I have worked in all 3 areas.

A doctor may call CPS in cases of suspected abuse. But as a first-responder, I see the most horrible instances of it BEFORE it ever gets to the doctor. It is usually on my recommendations and observations at the scene that a doctor will call in additional investigative resources.
05-14-2013, 10:41 PM #116
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(05-14-2013, 10:36 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  No, you said that the women got pregnant when the men didn't want kids. If that was the case the men should have gotten vasectomies...there problem solved.

What decade are you living in?


Having sex with someone does not mean you want to have children with them necessarily. If that's the case, then time for a new law that women need consent of the father to have an abortion.


What makes you think every woman would have no problem killing an unborn child, as you seem to think the father would?
05-14-2013, 10:42 PM #117
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(05-14-2013, 10:41 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:35 PM)j browsing Wrote:  I didn't know they called first responders for child abuse cases..by first responder do you mean you are a police officer or work for the dept of child welfare? and if a child is taken to the hosp and the doc suspects child abuse he or she is the one who contacts the authorties


First-responders are emergency responders. Fire/EMS/Police

I have worked in all 3 areas.

A doctor may call CPS in cases of suspected abuse. But as a first-responder, I see the most horrible instances of it BEFORE it ever gets to the doctor. It is usually on my recommendations of observations at the scene that a doctor will call in additional investigative resources.


Correct Jack, which means you are not trained in how to properly investigate these cases.
05-14-2013, 10:43 PM #118
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(05-14-2013, 10:41 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:36 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:32 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  No, you said that the women got pregnant when the men didn't want kids. If that was the case the men should have gotten vasectomies...there problem solved.

What decade are you living in?


Having sex with someone does not mean you want to have children with them necessarily. If that's the case, then time for a new law that women need consent of the father to have an abortion.


What makes you think every woman would have no problem killing an unborn child, as you seem to think the father would?


What make you think that I think the father WOULD want to? But he doesn't have that choice now does he. Only the woman does.

Her choice, her responsibility.
05-14-2013, 10:46 PM #119
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(05-14-2013, 10:42 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Correct Jack, which means you are not trained in how to properly investigate these cases.


Don't try to sell no boogie woogie on the king of rock roll sista.

I don't need all sorts of legalize double-speakin' jive to know when a mother just stuck an iron to her kid's back because she thought it would make a "cool tattoo." Or when a mother cares more about the pitbulls that just mauled her baby to death.
05-14-2013, 10:50 PM #120
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(05-14-2013, 10:46 PM)Jackinthebox Wrote:  
(05-14-2013, 10:42 PM)UniqueStranger Wrote:  Correct Jack, which means you are not trained in how to properly investigate these cases.


Don't try to sell no boogie woogie on the king of rock roll sista.

I don't need all sorts of legalize double-speakin' jive to know when a mother just stuck an iron to her kid's back because she thought it would make a "cool tattoo." Or when a mother cares more about the pitbulls that just mauled her baby to death.


Whateva...you still aren't trained, nor hear all the facts in court.



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